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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: Sean Carroll (serious)

Ben Marsh wrote:

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		   ‘must be keeping that payment current then.


	


You think he's making regular deposits there?



All joking aside, the three of us have been ripped off. We suspect there

may be more out there who have also been ripped off but have written off

the debt.



In my case Sean failed to adhere to our agreement from the beginning but

I didn't heed the signs. He even gave me a bad check at one point. When

I made a stink and approached Joe Nygard, the person who actually

received my engine, about the problem, Sean blew up and insisted that we

get lawyers involved. And then after negotiating a new contract for a

reduced amount (I figured I would at that point take anything I could

get) he still didn't pay.



This man gives new meaning to the term "deadbeat". I hesitate to call

him a thief as several people I have talked to say he eventually pays

but after a year and finding out I am not the only victim, it is hard to

not to have that word come to mind



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Brian Lloyd                         361 Catterline Way

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ben(at)designselect.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: Sean Carroll (serious)

Please pardon my attempt at jest.  It is unfortunate that Mr. Carroll is not

meeting his obligations.  I liked the good old days when we could order

something, receive it and then cut a check to cover the buy.  It is folks

like this that make dealing in our small community a bit more difficult.

For this and for your loss, I am truly sorry.



What does Mr. Carroll say when you ask him for your money?  What am I

thinking?  If one is so low as to fail to pay a bill, will he be so high as

to tell you the truth?



Still, there are remedies you can take, even though it is costly and time

consuming.  Dead beats suck.



Good Luck,



Ben



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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: Sean Carroll (serious)

Ben Marsh wrote:

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 Please pardon my attempt at jest.  


	


Oh, it is OK. If I don't laugh I will cry.



 	  Quote: 	
		   It is unfortunate that Mr. Carroll is not

 meeting his obligations.  I liked the good old days when we could order

 something, receive it and then cut a check to cover the buy.  


	


That is how it has worked with everyone else in this community.



 	  Quote: 	
		   It is folks

 like this that make dealing in our small community a bit more difficult.

 For this and for your loss, I am truly sorry.


	


It happens. I naturally assume that people will treat me fairly and that

is how it has been in my life. Sean Carroll is only the second serious

dead-beat I have encountered in my almost 40 years of business dealings.



And knowing the Yak community and the fact that I had been put together

with Mr. Carroll by someone in the community I trusted, I just assumed

the best. And I will continue to do so because everyone else in the Yak

community has treated me well and fairly.



 	  Quote: 	
		   What does Mr. Carroll say when you ask him for your money?  What am I

 thinking?  If one is so low as to fail to pay a bill, will he be so high as

 to tell you the truth?


	


I have been told many things. At this point mostly he claims I

misrepresented the goods and therefore he does not owe me the money. But

when he ran into problems with the engine I offered to come up and help

him get everything running properly (on my own nickel) and I offered to

take the engine and prop back and return his money. He chose not to

avail himself of either remedy so I continue to hold that he owes me the

money.



BTW, both engine and prop are flying on Joe Nygard's airplane so they

can't have been too much of a problem.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Still, there are remedies you can take, even though it is costly and time

 consuming.  Dead beats suck.


	


I have already spent over $2000 on legal fees. Sean will not speak to me

directly so every time I want to communicate it costs me the better part

of an hour in legal fees. In order to close things I even agreed to take

a lesser amount just to get the deal complete. He agreed through his

lawyer and in writing and then again he didn't pay.



Yeah, this sucks a lot. The only reason I sold the engine and prop from

my project was because I desperately needed money at the time. Otherwise

I would never have sold them. So now I am doubly screwed; I have neither

engine/prop nor my money. There is no way I could replace them (new

M14P, engine mounting ring, MT-3 prop, stainless exhaust, new Yak-18T

cooling louvers) for what I sold them for ($25,000). The only thing

better than that deal is to get all of that for only $15,000 (the 1/2

up-front and the $2500 check he bounced). That is a hell of a deal if

you can get it.



I guess we live and learn.



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		   Good Luck,


	


Thanks.



What I would ask of the Yak community is to not do business with Sean

until he settles up with Richard Goode, John Wright, me, and anyone else

he has stiffed. I can only hope that a threat to his revenue stream

might motivate him to settle up with us and anyone else in the community

to whom he owes money.



-- 

Brian Lloyd                         361 Catterline Way

brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

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dstroud(at)storm.ca
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: Sean Carroll (serious)

Shit..you guys are very patient. Where I come from..we just pay the fucker

a visit with a few friends. Sorry for the offensive words, but the results are

often immediate and satisfying. ( We don't even bring/need guns, eh?  )



It doesn't happen very often and I don't pretend to have known the individual 

named here but other deals gone sour in worlds other than aviation have been 

given the same treatment with remarkable results too. Don't even name the guy 

publicly..it may bring unwanted attention to the issue. Be first. Visit the person 

as soon as convenient and get his views right upfront.  Very upfront..and no 

need to even call a lawyer either. Being a pilot will not make him sacred or

invincible, being in debt will make him weak and nervous.



David Stroud   Ottawa, Canada

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