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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

I spent a few hours bumming around Vans today, and came home with a stupid grin on my face because I got to ride in the RV-10. All I’ve ever flown in is a Cessna 172. I was absolutely amazed at how the RV-10 performed.

I also came home with the toolbox kit. It seems that I am going to need quite a few tools. As I am not going to be building my RV-10 right away, I am going to have trouble convincing my wife that I need to order several hundred dollars worth of tools from Cleveland or Avery for this little toolbox project.

What is the minimum list of tools I will need?

Where is a good source for finding what I need used or otherwise discounted?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

Hi John. Try Cleaveland Tools for a starter kit for the RV Empennage. Around $750 USD. Well worth the investment and sets you up well for the rest of the kit.
www.cleavelandtoolstore.com
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I spent a few hours bumming around Vans today, and came home with a stupid grin on my face because I got to ride in the RV-10. All I’ve ever flown in is a Cessna 172. I was absolutely amazed at how the RV-10 performed.

I also came home with the toolbox kit. It seems that I am going to need quite a few tools. As I am not going to be building my RV-10 right away, I am going to have trouble convincing my wife that I need to order several hundred dollars worth of tools from Cleveland or Avery for this little toolbox project.

What is the minimum list of tools I will need?

Where is a good source for finding what I need used or otherwise discounted?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

John,

One thing that you might want to consider is to find a local builder and ask for some assistance. It will give you a quick taste of what it's like to build, and you won't have to buy any tools. 

When I started my first RV I was fortunate enough to know a local builder and he patiently helped me work through the practice kit that I had bought. I bet you can find a local builder who would do the same for you.

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Mike Schipper
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RV-10 #40576 - Empennage (www.rvten.com)

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I also came home with the toolbox kit. It seems that I am going to need quite a few tools. As I am not going to be building my RV-10 right away, I am going to have trouble convincing my wife that I need to order several hundred dollars worth of tools from Cleveland or Avery for this little toolbox project.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

John,

I’d recommend finding a local builder and borrowing what you’ll need – EAA chapter would be an excellent place to start. Specific answer to your question is that you need to be able to drill holes, dimple holes, debur holes and drive rivets.

If you want to purchase tools, I think the only hole size you need a bit for is #40 and you can use whatever drill you already have. Since you are dealing with such a limited quantity of holes you can either purchase a purpose built tool or use a larger drill bit or hardware store countersink (size/angle is unimportant). For the edges you can use a file to remove shear marks and burrs. For dimples you could get by with a pop-rivet dimpler which just uses a standard pop-rivet squeezer, you would only need to purchase pop-rivet dimple dies for 3/32” rivets. At that point you’ve covered everything except driving rivets. Instead of buying a rivet squeezer of any sort you can almost certainly borrow a hand squeezer from any builder that has a pneumatic unit and not have to worry about being pressed for time. Every rivet on the toolbox, except for the ones that hold the handle on, can be set using a squeezer. I’m sure any builder would welcome you for a visit to drive those few.

Of course, you could always spend several hundred dollars and have a REAL head start on what you’ll need for the plane…

Where are you located?

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I spent a few hours bumming around Vans today, and came home with a stupid grin on my face because I got to ride in the RV-10. All I’ve ever flown in is a Cessna 172. I was absolutely amazed at how the RV-10 performed.

I also came home with the toolbox kit. It seems that I am going to need quite a few tools. As I am not going to be building my RV-10 right away, I am going to have trouble convincing my wife that I need to order several hundred dollars worth of tools from Cleveland or Avery for this little toolbox project.

What is the minimum list of tools I will need?

Where is a good source for finding what I need used or otherwise discounted?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

The minimum list of tools required for the toolbox will be much shorter than those required to build the plane. The required list breaks down into 2 parts: those you own yourself and those you can borrow from others. If it’s expensive and/or seldom used suggest borrowing (and returning) the tool. Building a plane (and a toolbox) can be the best opportunity you might ever have to become acquainted with some of the world’s greatest people. Join your local EAA chapter, visit builders, and let them educate and befriend you. Avery and Cleveland seem to have attracted the most vocal supporters but there are other sources. The RV list often has offers of used tools. I had a flat tire at an unfamiliar airport last week and I was hardly out of the plane before the locals began gathering to help. Made some friends and enjoyed the time spent fixing the tire.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

John;
I know the feeling!
Check out Van's site http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rqd-tool.htm this will tell you what is needed for the tool kit. someone recommended you get the starter kit from cleveland- http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EMPKITW that would be the easiest solution. I have the same kit and am slowly finding good tools on e-bay but eventually will buy everything from different vendors. I would recommend you take the sportair course. $300 or so dollars and you'll basically build the toolkit in a teaching environment, certainly less than buying tools before their time.
If you're experienced and don't need the course, have an air compressor and plan to start the kit within the year buy the tools.
I have spent numerous hours planning, so feel free to contact me with any further questions.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

All good suggestions, but one overall strategy would be to go to Cleveland or Avery, buy their tool kit, then turn to the wife and say you need an empennage to go with it. After all, what use are all those tools without something to build?

Hope she has a sense of humor!

John J

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John;
I know the feeling!
Check out Van's site http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rqd-tool.htm this will tell you what is needed for the tool kit. someone recommended you get the starter kit from cleveland- http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=EMPKITW that would be the easiest solution. I have the same kit and am slowly finding good tools on e-bay but eventually will buy everything from different vendors. I would recommend you take the sportair course. $300 or so dollars and you'll basically build the toolkit in a teaching environment, certainly less than buying tools before their time.
If you're experienced and don't need the course, have an air compressor and plan to start the kit within the year buy the tools.
I have spent numerous hours planning, so feel free to contact me with any further questions.
Pascal

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

In a slightly more serious light, what tools would you suggest purchasing
in the Sears Craftsman line, given that I already know my current
compressor is too light duty, too noisey, don't have any shop power tools
like grinder, band saw, drill press etc. and just happen to have a nice
credit balance there to play with. I anticipate getting the majority of
riveting/sheet metal tools from Cleaveland, Avery & other aircraft
sources. So I'm just looking at non-aviation specific stuff to buy at
Sears.

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or Avery, buy their tool kit, then turn to the wife and say you need an
empennage to go with it. After all, what use are all those tools without
something to build?

Hope she has a sense of humor!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

My rule of thumb is "Don't buy anything from Sears that requires
gasoline or electricity." Their hand tools are ok.

Seriously, I've got a Sears 12" bandsaw and with a metal cutting balde,
it is fine for most of the aluminum cutting you will be doing.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

if you want a good 110v compressor?- less noisey and can do most of the plane - short of painting Craftsman 25Gallon

if the link fails
www.sears.com
search for item # 00919541000

That should clear up that credit quick!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:20 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

Thank you for the recommendation. Any issues with oil lubed pump to be
concerned with? I was aware they tend to run quieter than the oiless
pumps.
That would be a big plus.
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if you want a good 110v compressor?- less noisey and can do most of the
plane - short of painting Craftsman 25Gallon

if the link fails
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search for item # 00919541000

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

On Sep 6, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

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Thank you for the recommendation. Any issues with oil lubed pump to be
concerned with? I was aware they tend to run quieter than the oiless
pumps.

They are quieter, and they last longer than the dry pumps, indeed.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

Kelly,

Sears tools are fine. For example, you can buy a Sears or Delta table top
band saw from them that will do almost anything you'll want for the kit, for
about $100. A Sears or Delta table top drill press would also be good.
Both should be considered a necessity. You can get a 25 gal oiled
compressor for around $400 that will give you good service for everything
except final painting and even there you might be able to get by with one if
you know what you're doing (it's not the gallons so much as the air one can
pump through. Check the amount of air various models put out per minute and
I think you'll find that most small compressors fall short for extended
painting). Paint guns as well. Air hoses and assorted air goodies. Of
course, buy your rivet guns and air drills elsewhere. Usually Sears carries
things for the auto trade, not airplane building.

You can also find all sorts of clamps, table vises, Dremels and Dremel
supplies, even an inch/pound torque wrench from Sears which works well
enough, although some advise to get the best you can with torque wrenches.
I also bought a great roll around tool cart and top chest on sale (almost
everything at Sears is on sale at some point) and a set of mechanics tools
since I'd given my others away when I moved. Also, how about a slow
turning, high torque portable electric screw driver, if you think you'll use
that to help with deburring, which I do. Fine caliber measuring tools, such
as steel rules and micrometers can be found there. I also think they carry
unibits. Get the brand named one. Also, grab a long handled mechanics
mirror to check those nasty, out of sight rivet heads you'll be making.

I'm sure there are more odds and ends. Look at the Workshop / Tool pages of
my web site (www.jessen-RV10.com) for some suggestions. It's not a complete
list by any stretch of the imagination, so check other sites, such as Dan
Checkoway's site, which I believe has a tool section. There are many more.
Some folks even have every tool they've ever used listed on spreadsheets
available from their sites.

Have fun!

John Jessen
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

I wouldn't even consider an oil less. But with the oil lubed, you will need
a good oil separator/filter for use with a rivet squeezer and with painting
equipment.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

I also have the Craftsman 12" band saw with the metal cutting blade, and I've never had a problem with it. Also, I have the Craftsman floor standing drill press, which is also good. For a grinder to put the scotch brite wheel on, I just used the Harbor Freight model and bought it when it was on sale. You'll never match their price at Sears, and it also works great.

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My rule of thumb is "Don't buy anything from Sears that requires
gasoline or electricity." Their hand tools are ok.

Seriously, I've got a Sears 12" bandsaw and with a metal cutting balde,
it is fine for most of the aluminum cutting you will be doing.

Jack Phillips
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

Thanks so much for all the ideas. I'm sure I'll be acquiring some of
those items.

EFDsteve(at)aol.com wrote:
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I also have the Craftsman 12" band saw with the metal cutting blade, and
I've never had a problem with it. Also, I have the Craftsman floor
standing drill press, which is also good. For a grinder to put the
scotch brite wheel on, I just used the Harbor Freight model and bought
it when it was on sale. You'll never match their price at Sears, and it
also works great.

Steve Weinstock
40230

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<Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com>

My rule of thumb is "Don't buy anything from Sears that requires
gasoline or electricity." Their hand tools are ok.

Seriously, I've got a Sears 12" bandsaw and with a metal cutting balde,
it is fine for most of the aluminum cutting you will be doing.

Jack Phillips
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Horizontal Stabilizer



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:38 am    Post subject: Required tools for toolbox kit Reply with quote

Definitely get the oiled type (motor with pulley) - much quieter. Got a 26
gal at Home Depot and love it.

John Testement
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