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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com Guest
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:42 pm Post subject: tech counselor |
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How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late asking these questions.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
N89DA
#40496 - elevators
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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Dave - My DAR came by only two or three times while I was building the plane
(two and one half years). You might want to check with your DAR to see if
he is interested in looking at the plane during the building process. As
for my logbook all I did was initial and date each step in the plans as I
completed the step. I took maybe 50 pictures with me posing with a tool of
some sort in my hand.
Mark (N410MR)
Quote: | From: "DAVE LEIKAM" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: "matronics" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: tech counselor
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:05 -0500
How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How
elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late asking
these questions.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
N89DA
#40496 - elevators
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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Dave, you don't *have* to have them come at all, but your DAR/FAA
Inspector will look more favorably on you if you have 3 Tech Counselor
inspections throughout the process. If I were doing it all over
as a new builder, I would get one during the tailcone, so they
could inspect my overall building skills, one around the time of
the canopy/doors/windows so they could inspect my fiberglass skills,
and one just before final inspection, so they can check my wiring/engine
stuff and give me a final checkover.
In actuality for me, I had one at the end of my wings, 1 just after
hanging the engine, and one at the end. That was still enough to make
the DAR happy, but I didn't have any good feedback on my construction
that I did on the initial steps. If you have other builders around
you checking your work, just get the 3 anytime you can, but try to
have one right before the DAR comes.
As for photos, just try to take some from each section, and make sure
you're in them, or at least your hands are. It may be necessary down
the road to prove you did the building yourself. As you know,
I shot lots of photos. My log was a spreadsheet. At the end,
I printed the spreadsheet, and put pages of selected photos into
a binder, and gave that to the DAR. He looked at it briefly. Where it
REALLY came in handy was when applying for the Repairman's certificate,
done in person at the FSDO. That guy really looked at it closely,
and asked a lot of questions about photos, and what was being done
in the photos. It was very clear that he wanted to ensure that
I not only understood the process, but that I was personally involved
in doing them. Just make sure you have enough that you could prove
it.
Some inspectors will be more or less interested, but just go with your
gut. I'm not a TC, but if I get down there this fall I'd be happy
to swing by.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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DAVE LEIKAM wrote:
Quote: | How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How
elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late
asking these questions.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
N89DA
#40496 - elevators
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mritter509(at)msn.com Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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Dave - I had an FAA guy from FSDO follow the DAR around during the
inspection. He did not seem interested in my logbook (signed off plans) or
pictures. He let me apply for my repairman certificate by mail which I now
have. That was nice since the closest FSDO office is an 80 mile trip to San
Antonio.
Mark (N410MR)
Quote: | From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509(at)msn.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: tech counselor
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:02:56 -0500
Dave - My DAR came by only two or three times while I was building the
plane (two and one half years). You might want to check with your DAR to
see if he is interested in looking at the plane during the building
process. As for my logbook all I did was initial and date each step in the
plans as I completed the step. I took maybe 50 pictures with me posing
with a tool of some sort in my hand.
Mark (N410MR)
>From: "DAVE LEIKAM" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
>Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "matronics" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: tech counselor
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:05 -0500
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>How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How
>elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late asking
>these questions.
>
>Dave Leikam
>Muskego, WI
>N89DA
>#40496 - elevators
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth. Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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DAVE LEIKAM wrote:
Quote: | How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all?
| There is no requirement, but he'll look at it as often as you like. Having the tech counselor inspection sheets may (read that again .... may) make it easier come DAR inspection.
Quote: | How elaborate should my log (picture) book be?
| Take lots of pictures. Be sure to take lots of pictures with you working. Posing is OK, but pictures taken while you're engrossed in something is better. You'll be surprised how many times you'll go back to those pictures to see what you were doing and when. Take pictures of your goofs too!
Quote: | I may be a little late asking these questions.
| Never too late ..... unless the bird is flying!!!
Linn
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Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
N89DA
#40496 - elevators
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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I think the reason you got to apply by mail was that you had an
FAA guy from the FSDO there during the inspection. If you had
only a DAR, I think they need to have you show in person. The
DAR I had explained that if I'd have my inspection by
the FSDO, that would be one of the benefits. All in all, I
think the DAR way to go was best, due to timelines and red tape,
but it will probably mean you'll apply at the FSDO for the
Repairman's cert.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Mark Ritter wrote:
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Dave - I had an FAA guy from FSDO follow the DAR around during the
inspection. He did not seem interested in my logbook (signed off plans)
or pictures. He let me apply for my repairman certificate by mail which
I now have. That was nice since the closest FSDO office is an 80 mile
trip to San Antonio.
Mark (N410MR)
> From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509(at)msn.com>
> Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: RE: tech counselor
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:02:56 -0500
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> Dave - My DAR came by only two or three times while I was building the
> plane (two and one half years). You might want to check with your DAR
> to see if he is interested in looking at the plane during the building
> process. As for my logbook all I did was initial and date each step
> in the plans as I completed the step. I took maybe 50 pictures with
> me posing with a tool of some sort in my hand.
>
> Mark (N410MR)
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>> From: "DAVE LEIKAM" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
>> Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>> To: "matronics" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>> Subject: tech counselor
>> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:05 -0500
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>> How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How
>> elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late
>> asking these questions.
>>
>> Dave Leikam
>> Muskego, WI
>> N89DA
>> #40496 - elevators
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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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If your ever in town Tim, or anyone else building an RV, please give me a
call and stop by. I would love the visit. Thanks for the offer.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI (Southeast - Milwaukee area)
414-807-5499
#40496
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mritter509(at)msn.com Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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Tim,
You are absolutely right. The FAA guy was convinced I had built the plane
and qualified for a repairman certificate so he let me apply by mail.
Having the FAA guy and a DAR at the inspection saved me an 80 mile (160 mile
round trip) trip to S.A. At first I was a little apprehensive when the DAR
told me the FAA guy was going to be looking over his shoulder (I sure didn't
request his presence) but it all worked out OK.
Starting wheel and gear leg fairings tomorrow. Pray for me. Hope to finish
in time to make it to LOE flyin. Are you going?
Mark
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Quote: | From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: tech counselor
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:17:57 -0500
I think the reason you got to apply by mail was that you had an
FAA guy from the FSDO there during the inspection. If you had
only a DAR, I think they need to have you show in person. The
DAR I had explained that if I'd have my inspection by
the FSDO, that would be one of the benefits. All in all, I
think the DAR way to go was best, due to timelines and red tape,
but it will probably mean you'll apply at the FSDO for the
Repairman's cert.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Mark Ritter wrote:
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>Dave - I had an FAA guy from FSDO follow the DAR around during the
>inspection. He did not seem interested in my logbook (signed off plans) or
>pictures. He let me apply for my repairman certificate by mail which I
>now have. That was nice since the closest FSDO office is an 80 mile trip
>to San Antonio.
>
>Mark (N410MR)
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>>From: "Mark Ritter" <mritter509(at)msn.com>
>>Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: tech counselor
>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 05:02:56 -0500
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>>Dave - My DAR came by only two or three times while I was building the
>>plane (two and one half years). You might want to check with your DAR to
>>see if he is interested in looking at the plane during the building
>>process. As for my logbook all I did was initial and date each step in
>>the plans as I completed the step. I took maybe 50 pictures with me
>>posing with a tool of some sort in my hand.
>>
>>Mark (N410MR)
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>>>From: "DAVE LEIKAM" <DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com>
>>>Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>>To: "matronics" <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>
>>>Subject: tech counselor
>>>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:05 -0500
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>>>How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How
>>>elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late
>>>asking these questions.
>>>
>>>Dave Leikam
>>>Muskego, WI
>>>N89DA
>>>#40496 - elevators
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com Guest
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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Not sure on the LOE Fly-in. That is one of the very few vacation
weekend possibilites for me that doesn't conflict with my on-call
and kids school schedule. So, if the Family says go, we could
easily be there.
We're currently trying to figure out where the good weather will
be for this weekend. Van's Homecoming would be OK, but I've only
got from Friday 5pm until Monday 9pm. So it's a bit tight for 20
hours of round-trip enroute and still have fun with the kids.
If anyone has some great tips for fantastic kid destination
with 1200 nm of OSH, send the ideas to me off-line. If the
weather won't be good though, I'll be heading elsewhere.
Mark, good luck on the wheel and leg fairings. They're no fun,
but you'll love the speed in the end. I just did a 2nd
Airspeed cal flight last night and found that yes, I'm
actually 6.5-7.5 kts slower indicated than actual TAS. So
the performance with fairings is very good.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Quote: | Starting wheel and gear leg fairings tomorrow. Pray for me. Hope to
finish in time to make it to LOE flyin. Are you going?
Mark
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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Dave,
Keep in mind the building log is for your use long after the sign off. So if there is anything you might like a picture of in 10 years, for maintenance, take a picture of it. Also if there is any thing you do a little different from the plans or that isn’t clear in the plans (that comes later in the fuel tank section), document it for future reference.
I think tech counselor visits vary. Mine asked to see the skeleton of the rudder before skinning, the wings before closing them and during system installation. Talk to your counselor and see what he recommends. Again this is for your benefit. There is a lot to building an airplane and having extra eyes on a project is a good thing. If something’s not quite right it’s better to find out during the building process than during the FAA inspection or worse yet in the air.
For what it’s worth,
Vern Smith (#40324 wings)
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:41 PM
To: matronics
Subject: tech counselor
How often must I have a tech counselor check my work if at all? How elaborate should my log (picture) book be? I may be a little late asking these questions.
Dave Leikam
Muskego, WI
N89DA
#40496 - elevators
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: tech counselor |
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I've had my tech counselor out twice during the construction of the tailcone, and I'll have him out at least once more before this sub-kit is done.
I ask him to come out whenever I reach a major milestone or when I have enough questions to make it worth our time for him to come out.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: tech counselor |
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Based on the photos of your work and what you have done on this list, I
think that you should be!
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
I'm not a TC,
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