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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:47 am    Post subject: FYI: Touch Screens...Navy thinks they are terrible. Reply with quote

Worth reviewing and thinking about...
https://tinyurl.com/Navy-touch-screens

Basically, real buttons, knobs, handles and toggle switches are preferable.

Don't let "modern" be the enemy of the practicable.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:54 am    Post subject: FYI: Touch Screens...Navy thinks they are terrible. Reply with quote

Wow. And I always thought that I was the only one who disliked touchscreens. And I prefer manual elevator trim and manual flaps. My vehicles also have manual transmissions, so that tells you something about my mental state.

Ivan Haecker

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:54 AM Eric M. Jones <emjones(at)charter.net (emjones(at)charter.net)> wrote:

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Worth reviewing and thinking about...
https://tinyurl.com/Navy-touch-screens

Basically, real buttons, knobs, handles and toggle switches are preferable.

Don't let "modern" be the enemy of the practicable.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:35 pm    Post subject: FYI: Touch Screens...Navy thinks they are terrible. Reply with quote

I just wish that people who design these systems would recognize the fact that 8% of the male population has red/green color blindness. 

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Some predict that most of the ‘systems’ will eventually change back to previous ‘control’ methods away from ‘touch’ screens.

Years ago the control by deviation allowed hundreds of process controllers to be monitored by just a few people.  Basically a red pointer showing from behind the green area on the controller display was reason for an employee’s attention.

A study by the military (led by my Son [FAA employee]) determined the control by exception was preferred rather than reading number digits requiring the mind to decide if that was normal or not.   

This retired GE process control tech (over 30+ yrs experience) has not welcomed touch screens and their digital displays from the beginning.  I hope that the change back comes sooner rather than later..  Earl Schroeder.

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> interesting did read that same story yesterday, but main issue was as
> well, that the status was unclear between different stations on the ship
> which caused the issue that one station wa scontrolling the left engine
> and the 2nd station the right one (wonder in what situation this would
> be needed) I think it is down to a team without any real operation
> experience designing a system Smile
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> But true and behold not everithing we love on our tablets will work in
> another environment Wink
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>> Basically, real buttons, knobs, handles and toggle switches are preferable.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:13 am    Post subject: FYI: Touch Screens...Navy thinks they are terrible. Reply with quote

Well I for one wouldn't want my aircraft helm and throttle functions migrated to a touch screen, as appeared to be the case here.  For just about everything else small aircraft, they're probably alright.

Bill Boyd (whose only aircraft touch screen tech is a Garmin 795 GPS)
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Hi Eric,

interesting did read that same story yesterday, but main issue was as
well, that the status was unclear between different stations on the ship
which caused the issue that one station wa scontrolling the left engine
and the 2nd station the right one (wonder in what situation this would
be needed) I think it is down to a team without any real operation
experience designing a system Smile

But true and behold not everithing we love on our tablets will work in
another environment Wink

Cheers Werner

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> Worth reviewing and thinking about...
> https://tinyurl.com/Navy-touch-screens
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> Basically, real buttons, knobs, handles and toggle switches are preferable.
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> Don't let "modern" be the enemy of the practicable.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: FYI: Touch Screens...Navy thinks they are terrible. Reply with quote

If you actually read the article, THAT's what the Navy says they are
moving away from... Touchscreen "controls" are being replaced (as they
darn well should) with manual throttles and wheels. I don't think very
many of us GA pilots are flying aircraft where the power is controlled
by a touchscreen interface, much less the "steering" (ailerons,
elevator, and rudder) being done via touch-screen...

When it comes to "touch screen interfaces" in GA flying, it's usually to
create or change the flight plan, change the screen view, etc. And
though I like having both touch- and twist-push-pull controls (a la the
more recent navigators from both Garmin and Avidyne), I find the
non-touch interfaces are far less intuitive to me... That's why I had
to spend hours in the cockpit (and on a simulator at home) learning the
"buttonology" for those systems... The touch-screen side is MUCH easier
for me -- except in turbulence, when the non-touch alternatives come in
handy, even though they are slower to use, and I find the menu
structures significantly more challenging to remember.

That said, like the "new Navy", I STILL have a strong preference for
physical switches and circuit breakers, rather than the "magic boxes"
that take their place in many new homebuilt (and even commercial)
airplanes. I like being able to literally "put my finger" on the
problem circuit breaker or switch...

Jim Parker


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:05 pm    Post subject: FYI: Touch Screens...Navy thinks they are terrible. Reply with quote

As I was looking about for something to smash the touchscreen at the supermarket self checkout lane, the monitor came over to help. As I told him, "there's a reason the Navy is ripping these things out". They may be OK for some applications, I wouldn't put one in any vehicle, much less one that flies.

Rick
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If you actually read the article, THAT's what the Navy says they are
moving away from...  Touchscreen "controls" are being replaced (as they
darn well should) with manual throttles and wheels.  I don't think very
many of us GA pilots are flying aircraft where the power is controlled
by a touchscreen interface, much less the "steering" (ailerons,
elevator, and rudder) being done via touch-screen...   

When it comes to "touch screen interfaces" in GA flying, it's usually to
create or change the flight plan, change the screen view, etc.  And
though I like having both touch- and twist-push-pull controls (a la the
more recent navigators from both Garmin and Avidyne), I find the
non-touch interfaces are far less intuitive to me...  That's why I had
to spend hours in the cockpit (and on a simulator at home) learning the
"buttonology" for those systems...  The touch-screen side is MUCH easier
for me -- except in turbulence, when the non-touch alternatives come in
handy, even though they are slower to use, and I find the menu
structures significantly more challenging to remember.

That said, like the "new Navy", I STILL have a strong preference for
physical switches and circuit breakers, rather than the "magic boxes"
that take their place in many new homebuilt (and even commercial)
airplanes.  I like being able to literally "put my finger" on the
problem circuit breaker or switch...

Jim Parker

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