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LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

In a message dated 7/17/06 9:57 pm, bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net writes:

<<  I will easily get 280 horsepower from the engine and will burn a little 

more gas. I'll burn .50 lbs per horsepower instead on .42.   >>



      Is that fuel consumption  number estimated or from a flying plane?  I 

drive a Mazda RX-8 and the gas milage sucks!!!    Between 14-18mpg with one 

165# driver and NO heavy loads.  The EPA says I should get 18/24 (but they don't 

test drive the cars, they estmate)     NO Way can I get their numbers.      

Driving like a granny in flat Florida, 18 mpg is the best keeping rpm below 

3000.   It does run smooth, and I bet TBO will be good due to very low parts 

count, but the three firings per rotation eats fuell. The higher rpm the more fuel 

flow x3.   Just something to think about.  I was thinking about how to adjust 

fuel use by firing once per rev at cruise.....vs 3 times....???



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Steve



Port St. Lucie, FL

772-475-5556



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ainut(at)hiwaay.net
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Rotaries do burn more fuel per hp than 'regular' engines.  Partly due to 

fuel cooling.  However, one can't really compare the auto mpg to 

aviation use unless you factor in the tranny and rear end losses, as 

well as gearing.



David M.

LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com wrote:



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In a message dated 7/17/06 9:57 pm, bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net writes:

<<  I will easily get 280 horsepower from the engine and will burn a little 

more gas. I'll burn .50 lbs per horsepower instead on .42.   >>



      Is that fuel consumption  number estimated or from a flying plane?  I 

drive a Mazda RX-8 and the gas milage sucks!!!    Between 14-18mpg with one 

165# driver and NO heavy loads.  The EPA says I should get 18/24 (but they don't 

test drive the cars, they estmate)     NO Way can I get their numbers.      

Driving like a granny in flat Florida, 18 mpg is the best keeping rpm below 

3000.   It does run smooth, and I bet TBO will be good due to very low parts 

count, but the three firings per rotation eats fuell. The higher rpm the more fuel 

flow x3.   Just something to think about.  I was thinking about how to adjust 

fuel use by firing once per rev at cruise.....vs 3 times....???



do not archive



Steve



Port St. Lucie, FL

772-475-5556



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jclarkmail(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:52 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

You are welcome. But more so important is for someone (in this case YOU) to come back and say "thanks" to someone who (hopefully politely) questions how stuff is "put out there". To me that says way more about you than even your detailed response. 



James

On 7/17/06, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net (rvbuilder(at)sausen.net)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		                

James, thanks for calling BS on me BTW.  I'm always happy to have someone question a statement on the list as there is waaaay too much fluff thrown around on the net.  I TRY to have facts when I post as I don't like it when people point to me and say he's full of it.   Of course no one is perfect and I can always rely on John, Dan, and others to point out the errors of my ways and I will always be the first to stand up and say I'm wrong.  I just try to make sure it doesn't happen very often. 

  

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

I've not in the market place, but it seems to me that if you are taking  orders on a product underdevelopment, that is; that one hopes to  deliver with in a 6 month time frame, then you are not taking orders to  sell your product...you are discussing how individuals can become temporary  investors in your product unless your deposit money will be held in escrow by a  certified escrow company such as AOPA's escrow service.  If a company  cashes your check it is a sale--you've become part of their cash flow system and  at 50% that's probably close to the raw materials future cost.  If  they don't deliver a product then you are a credit holder to  the company awaiting the product promised.  If they go Chapter  whatever in the mean time you are generally at the back of the line with  all the creditors and near the rear along with raw material supplies,  non-secured creditors.  

  

 I'd think 6 months is a relatively short period for a custom product but  still they are not selling you a product but booking a future  product...IMHO...and one should expect a healthy discount for the finance  risk.

  

 I've got a real good buddy still awaiting a Delta Hawk  engine...and it's said to have been deliverable more than two years  ago, and it still has not seen the light of day.

  

 Please I'm not putting these two engine companies in the same grouping but  in the aviation business there are lots of strange twist and  turns.  

  

 Patrick

  

 PS I think the opening gambit was a bit odd but I don't know the history  nor "have a dog in this fight".

  

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:57 am Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Bob when you do a XC in the RV 10, how many airports will be stocking  Mogas?

  

 Patrick

  

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Bob will fly, that is if he can ever get the Cosmo off his bench!!!



It is a pretty color red though  



Rick S.

40185

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bsponcil(at)belinblank.or
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

 

 I'd assume it doesn't really matter.  Can't the cosmo be just as happy  burning 100LL as MoGas?  I'd think the same is true of the Subie, but  perhaps I'm wrong.  One of the advantages, at least as I see it, to the low  compression lycosaurs (ie - the 235HP B4B5) is the ability to burn MoGas or  100LL or any combination inbetween.

  

  

  

 -Brian

  

 #40497

 N211BD

 Iowa City, IA

  

  

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Posted by Bob K.



"There is enough support out there for the Cosmo that I have very little fear

in the engine."



Therein lies my predicament, since Bob and I are good friends as well as business partners his engine choice has resulted in my signifigant others "ban" on letting me fly with him in his -10. So we will take both airplanes to the flyins. At least that way he will have a sure fire ride home 



Rick S.

40185



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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

There is always the option to put in 100 LL, but more than I first thought.  The price differential of my engine will pay for a lot of 100 LL  and the overhaul costs will pay for a lot more.  

   

Bob K  

The engine and finish kit  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:54 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials  

  

     

Bob when you do a XC in the RV 10, how many airports will be stocking Mogas?  

    

   

    

Patrick  

    

   

    

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dav1111(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

And both of them will most likely ask me for their ride home!!!



At least they better ask for a ride home or I might just leave them at some 

wayward airport.



Two good guys even if they are both a little crazy.



Russ Daves

N710RV



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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

And silver, Rick, its two tone.  Hoping to get it all together this weekend.

All 4 major parts.

Bob K

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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down

and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa.  Its only a

momentary thing and lots of fun.  Kind of like cloud dancing.



Bob K

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dmasys(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

---- "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net> wrote: 

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 Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down

 and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa.  Its only a

 momentary thing and lots of fun.  Kind of like cloud dancing.


	


Spent my most recent BFR in the -7A with a CFI who is also a pro airshow pilot.  Since I was IFR current, he said 'let's just do some stick and rudder flying' and we spent most of the hour aloft polishing the fine technique for aileron rolls.  I already know I'm gonna miss that a little when the -10 eventually takes the place of the -7.  Shiny side down for a bit is way fun.  Are we sure you can't roll a -10?  Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G manuvers...  



Just kidding (I think  )



-Dan Masys

40448

john.erickson(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

"Are we sure you can't roll a -10?  Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G

manuvers...  



Just kidding (I think  )



-Dan Masys

40448"



Oh boy, you had to go start this debate again.  Anyone who knew James McClow

heard this one to.  I think the -10 will fly fine in an aileron roll. But

only if it's primed with a good rolled-on coat of Glidden. Would be better

though if it was a taildragger...



John

(ducking and taking cover)

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Dan Masys wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Dan Masys <dmasys(at)cox.net> (dmasys(at)cox.net)



---- "bob.kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net> (bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net) wrote: 

        	  Quote: 	
		  Actually the real truth is I have been known to fly with the shiny side down

and some people don't like looking down to see up or visa versa.  Its only a

momentary thing and lots of fun.  Kind of like cloud dancing.

    	
   

Spent my most recent BFR in the -7A with a CFI who is also a pro airshow pilot.  Since I was IFR current, he said 'let's just do some stick and rudder flying' and we spent most of the hour aloft polishing the fine technique for aileron rolls.  I already know I'm gonna miss that a little when the -10 eventually takes the place of the -7.  Shiny side down for a bit is way fun.  Are we sure you can't roll a -10?  Aileron and barrel rolls are both 1G manuvers...  



Just kidding (I think  )



-Dan Masys

40448 	
 	
 Actually Dan ...... just about anything can be rolled. Â In a -10 all you need is sufficient airspeed, sufficient up angle on the nose before you start the roll, and maybe a little rudder to get the tail around. Â You're correct about a barrel roll. Â It can (and should be) a 1 G maneuver, but a good aileron roll will force you to push when inverted ....... and push a lot without a symmetrical airfoil wing ...... which puts you in negative G territory. Â I'm sure someone will roll a -10 and maybe even loop it. Â But that's an experiment that I'll leave to others. Â I'm a little older and a little wiser now.

 Linn

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Oh....I can say the -10 rolls just beautifully......



Cheers,

Stein.



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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Brian,  

   

When I was following the Subie group this question came up and it was suggested (I think by Jan) that a lead scavenger be used when burning 100LL.  

   

Vern   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Douglas

 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:20 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials  

  

     

   

    

I'd assume it doesn't really matter.  Can't the cosmo be just as happy burning 100LL as MoGas?  I'd think the same is true of the Subie, but perhaps I'm wrong.  One of the advantages, at least as I see it, to the low compression lycosaurs (ie - the 235HP B4B5) is the ability to burn MoGas or 100LL or any combination inbetween.  

    

   

    

   

    

   

    

-Brian  

    

   

    

#40497  

    

N211BD  

    

Iowa City, IA  

    

   

    

   

    

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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:52 am Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

Innodyn's web site says they won't have a booth of  their own.

  

 Boy oh boy I WISH their engine was real . .  .

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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:37 am Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

 If it was and it ran on bio-diesel made from hamburger joints then you would have a ”fast food flyer!”   

   

For those of us stuck at home; Garmin has info on their website for the G600, G900 and yes the new handheld 496.  

   

Vern (#04324 fuel tanks)  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jdalton77

 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:48 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials  

  

     

Innodyn's web site says they won't have a booth of their own.  

    

   

    

Boy oh boy I WISH their engine was real . . .  

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: Oshkosh Subaru Engine Specials

I just got back from Van's booth and Innodyne today.

I've decided to build another RV-10 and this time do it

right, so I paid in full for a quickbuild -10, and paid

in full for an Innodyne system.  I'm sending it to our

favorite Oklahoma -10 building professional so I should

have my completed RV-10 to fly within a few months.



(now how serious do you think I'm being?)



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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jdalton77 wrote:

[quote] Innodyn's web site says they won't have a booth of their own.

  

 Boy oh boy I WISH their engine was real . . .

 

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