Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

EFIS/EMS
Goto page 1, 2 Next

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I see that Advanced Flight Systems now offers a EFIS/EMS combo (AF3500 & AF

3400) that is slightly larger than Dynon's D100/D120 combo. Anybody far

enough along to be considering either one of these units?

Albert Gardner

40-422

Yuma, AZ

_________________
RV-9A N872RV
RV-10 N991RV

Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Here is my current proposed panel w/ AF3400 et al.  We just finished

modifying the forward bulkhead to accept these stacks. 



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters LLC

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 

831-722-9141

www.AirCraftersLLC.com

--

wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Albert,



I bought the AF3400 at Sun-N-Fun and I'm still waiting for it. I've attached a photo of where we've placed it in my panel. I originally had their AF2500 unit on order before Sun-N-Fun. I hope I'm following the correct protocol for posting a picture.



Wayne Edgerton #40336

Hopefully soon mounting the engine



 

Attachment: http://www.matronics.com/enclosures/c4506245b0e8aeb73192162e5fed55bd43e2ad8a.jpg

pcasson(at)sasktel.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I went with the D100/D120 combo mostly based on already having a D10 in my

Glastar and being satisfied with it and the few complaints I did have were

addressed in the D100.  



My original layout was not possible due to rib interference:

http://casson.2y.net/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FRV-10%2F&image=20051222_082

751.JPG

So I after some sitting in the cockpit checking to be sure all buttons

remain accessible and visibility was still good I went the D100 on the

centerline of the pilot and the D120 on the centerline of the co-pilot and

with the screen swapping features between the d100/d120 the plane should be

nicely flyable from either seat.



http://casson.2y.net/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FRV-10%2F&image=20060524__00

2.jpg

For a VFR aircraft like I'm building, I think along with a Garmin 396 and 2

axis autopilot should make for a nice enough panel without dropping the

extra $30K+ to go glass IFR.



Perry Casson



--

jim(at)CombsFive.Com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I am planning on the AFS-3500EE route.  



I was planning on using the Dynon D100 EFIS and D120 engine  monitor.  After adding up all the "optional" stuff that was required, the cost was equal to the AFS system.  The AFS appears to have more function too.



I would like to see what they are going to do for the CDI / HSI display.  



Jim Combs

N312F

40192

Fuseleage / Finishing 

  

============================================================






I see that Advanced Flight Systems now offers a EFIS/EMS combo (AF3500 & AF

3400) that is slightly larger than Dynon's D100/D120 combo. Anybody far

enough along to be considering either one of these units?

Albert Gardner

40-422

Yuma, AZ

 

 

 



============================================================

pcasson(at)sasktel.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Darn auto-line break messed with the urls in my 1st post.  Hopefully these work:

Plan A:

http://casson.2y.net/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FRV-10%2F&image=20051222_082751.JPG



 

As built:

http://casson.2y.net/yappa-ng/index.php?album=%2FRV-10%2F&image=20060524__002.jpg



 

Perry

randy(at)romeolima.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Thought you 10 guys might get a kick out of seeing the AFS-3500 in my RV-3 

panel...

http://www.romeolima.com/RV3works/Panel/DSC_0938.jpg



This is a GREAT solution for this plane. I'll combine it with a TruTrak 

DigiFlight IIVS slaved to a Garmin 296 and voila, everything I need.



Randy Lervold

www.rv-3.com

---

CJohnston(at)popsound.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I ordered the 3500 efis/engine monitor for my aircraft as a backup to

the dual chelton setup.  I saw the 3500 at sun-n-fun and was really

impressed.  Funnily enough, in this era of everybody coming out with

their own efis, I was most impressed by the graphical weight and balance

page.  It was intuitive, and very easy to use.  Hopefully it'll make

loading a breeze.  Also, I'm trying to get away from having a bunch of

little doodads in the panel that are necessary but annoying.  I really

like the trim and flaps indicator built into the 3500.  I've also looked

into having my own custom annunciator panel built so that all the flight

critical warnings show up in the same place.  All alarms, low fuel (fuel

guardian), efis warnings, etc.  I'm going for a super clean panel

look/feel.  Also, I ordered the 3500 with the internal battery backup.

AFS says it should keep the unit lit for a couple hours if the

electrical system goes poo.  With all the talk on other forums about

efis systems quitting due to electrical snafu, it seemed like cheap

insurance.



cj

#40410

fuse



--

armywrights(at)adelphia.n
Guest

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Albert,



I'm planning the 3500; awaiting some more documentation on the website (next

three weeks I'm told).  If you go with the full system you also need to plan

to stray from Van's recommended fuel routing in the tunnel.  Call 'em up and

ask for Rob's insight on this until they get the info on the website.



Rob Wright

#392 Wings



--

Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Oh no! I have the tunnel all plumbed except for the feed lines from the

wings to the selector valve. Wouldn't you know it-Murphy's Law. I'll call

tomorrow.

Albert Gardner

Yuma, AZ



--

_________________
RV-9A N872RV
RV-10 N991RV

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Albert,



  Don't sweat the location too much.  Rob and most of the guys that use

a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine

compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get the

most accurate reading.  Airflow Performance also recommends this

location.  Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so

they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked to

have had a problem with it in the engine compartment.  Bottom line is it

works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.



Michael Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

Do Not Archive

--

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I can verify that tunnel mounting isn't a problem.  Once I set my

calibration factor for the flow transducer, I can typically fly

a few hundred miles and fill the tanks and will fill within .1

or at most about .2 gallons difference, and if I wanted to work

the calibration up even closer I may even be able to perfect

on that.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Albert,

 

   Don't sweat the location too much.  Rob and most of the guys that use

 a Floscan type of transducer recommend that you put it in the engine

 compartment between the engine pump and distribution servo to get the

 most accurate reading.  Airflow Performance also recommends this

 location.  Van's is worried that it is too harsh of an environment so

 they recommend you put it in the tunnel but nobody that I have talked to

 have had a problem with it in the engine compartment.  Bottom line is it

 works just fine in the tunnel if you want to leave it there.

 

 Michael Sausen

 RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

 Do Not Archive

 

 

 --

jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Putting the transducer between the engine's pump and the fuel servo seems to

me to be a bad idea (replying to whoever mentioned it).  In N256H, when we

kick on the boost pump, the fuel flow goes up a fair bit, which means that

it is possible that some fuel is being pumped overboard via the overflow on

the engine-mounted fuel pump.  If this were the case, you would never know

about it if the transducer was mounted beyond this engine-mounted pump.  Is

my thinking way off here?



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

W: 352-465-4545

C: 352-427-0285



--

KBelue(at)drs-tem.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I've seen the fuel flow go up by several gph on my RV-6A when I turn on the

boost pump, but there is no overflow when I look at the overflow tube (on

the ground, of course). I think the pulsation of the boost pump causes the

fuel flow sensor to read higher than normal.



Kevin D. Belue

RV-6A Flying

RV-10 working on doors

 

[quote] --

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I have also been told that the Flowscan may not share ground wiith the

fuel pump or be grounded to aircraft structure.  This was given to me

as the reason for high fuel count when fuel pump is on.



Rob.



On 6/23/06, Belue, Kevin <KBelue(at)drs-tem.com> wrote:

[quote] 



 I've seen the fuel flow go up by several gph on my RV-6A when I turn on the

 boost pump, but there is no overflow when I look at the overflow tube (on

 the ground, of course). I think the pulsation of the boost pump causes the

 fuel flow sensor to read higher than normal.



 Kevin D. Belue

 RV-6A Flying

 RV-10 working on doors



 > --

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Hmm, I don't know but I don't think it should be pumping overboard for

any reason.  But you are correct, the farther upstream the sender is the

less likely you will see a leak or from the tank side.  I went with an

optical low fuel lever sensor in addition to the fuel gauges for leak

detection.  The main reason they recommend the sensor to be put after

the pumps is because you really don't want any restrictions if at all

possible on the suction side of the pump as it can cause vapor lock or

pump cavitations because of the sudden drop in pressure/volume.



Michael Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

Do Not Archive

--

Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 6:28 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

I ordered the 3500 system, Rob sold me the tranducer right (very impressed by the workmanship but not a Floscan) away so I could complete the plumbing and wiring. For those planning on this system, it does NOT mount in the floscan hole configuration. The mountng holes are on the right side of the unit inline with the datum, not 45 degrees from each other. So, if you used Van's mount for the floscan you will need to drill it off the floor and modify it for the ACS transducer. No big deal though took about an hour and a half to remove, modify and reattach.



Rick S.

40185

_________________
Rick S.
RV-10
40185

Albert Gardner

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 455
Location: Yuma, AZ

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Can the 3500 use the Floscan transducer or do you need a different one?

Albert Gardner

Yuma, AZ



--

_________________
RV-9A N872RV
RV-10 N991RV

Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

Not sure Al,



I'd give Rob a call especially if you already have the Floscan onhand. Day ain't cheap, neither of them.



I just figured I would use ACS's since it's their system, I'd use their transducer.



Rick S.

40185

_________________
Rick S.
RV-10
40185

LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: EFIS/EMS

When I was considering the 3500 I asked rob if the Floscan transducer 

would work, since it was already installed, and he said it was 

compatible with his all his units.



Larry Rosen

#356



Albert Gardner wrote:

[quote] 



 Can the 3500 use the Floscan transducer or do you need a different one?

 Albert Gardner

 Yuma, AZ



 --

_________________
Larry Rosen
#40356
N205EN (reserved)
<http>

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> RV10-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours Goto page 1, 2 Next
Page 1 of 2

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum