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Dick Sipp



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

Looks nice.
How much?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

Could you or others please post some pictures of the backs of your panels so
I can start getting a mental image of possibilities?

Rob

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:28 pm    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

Hope this helps. DO NOT ARCHIVE

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:36 am    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

Dick, that is a beautiful panel and the layout looks to be great.
You'll like flying behind it. They did a good job for you.
Congrats on having the panel done, it's a real milestone.

Russ, it looks like you have yours home and are playing with it now,
I bet you're like a proud new father! Smile I can't wait to see it
at OSH this year!

Rob (and others), you're right to want to worry a bit about the
back of the panel. I assume you really don't care about the
backside of the panel, as much as you mean the subpanels and
inside upper firewall. There is a lot of stuff that goes there,
and it gets hard to find convenient space.

My best advice is to try to use as much of the space as wisely
as you can, and then you'll find room for everything else.
First look at the large items, like the Lightspeed Ignition
if you have one, and the WSI receiver or XM receiver if you
have one. I put those on the inside upper firewall. In the
case of the lightspeed, I put it on the opposite side from
my radio stack to give a little extra margin in case there
was some electrical noise coming from it (there is not).

The WSI is mounted next to that, behind the radio stack.
All of my fuse boxes are on the subpanel on the front side.
Just put them wherever convenient, but OVERESTIMATE the amount
of spots you need....like if you think you need 8 on the avionics
bus, then do 12. You'll find that even with good planning during
the panel install, you'll probably want one or two more
than you thought. I used breakers for most major things, and
items that I'd want pullable for safety reasons (trim, AP, flaps)
I used fuses for things that I could just ditch easily by using
the E-Bus. (Weather, certain lights, ANR power, other stuff like
that.

Sensors like MAP sensor converter, and your Encoder if you have
one, aren't really very large, so they're easy to find space for.
There's actually quite a bit of space behind the panel, if
you're creative. I cut a couple of larger holes in the
subpanel that you'll see on my site. They weren't necessary, but
the largest one is kind of handy for reaching or looking through
to access upper firewall items. The only things forward of
my subpanel that aren't on the firewall are my e-bus schottky
diode, my stall buzzer, and my avionics fan. Most other things
are aft of the subpanel or on the aft side. So I could squeeze a
bit more on there if I wanted....but it gets a little harder.

So I wouldn't stress too much, as long as you plan for the large
items....and think wire runs all the time. Like when going from
my GRT to my engine for EGT/CHT probes, I have a strategically
placed subpanel hole and then one through the firewall. It makes
it a nice straight run. Laying out the panel is the hard part,
but it isn't as hard to come up with panel-forward placements.

Again guys, thanks for sharing the photos. Those are great.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:47 am    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

How are people holding in their radio stack(s)? I have used RadioRax in the
past, but they are pretty expensive. I assumed just normal aluminum angle
should do the trick, although would require a little bit more work in
alignment. Also, if angle, what size is being used, and is it just being
used on the sides, or also on the top and bottom (or just on the top and
bottom, for individual radios like yours, Russ)?

Jesse Saint
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 5:07 am    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

For the radio stack in my -7A I used a pair of vertical 3/4 x 3/4 x .063 angles bolted to the back side of the panel, and used 0.032 sheet to make sidewalls that the individual radio trays could bolt into. Left about 1/8 inch vertically between each for cooling. Works fine, and makes the whole stack a solid unit.

Planning to do the same for the -10 panel.

-Dan Masys
#40448 systems in the canoe stage

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How are people holding in their radio stack(s)? I have used RadioRax in the
past, but they are pretty expensive. I assumed just normal aluminum angle
should do the trick, although would require a little bit more work in
alignment. Also, if angle, what size is being used, and is it just being
used on the sides, or also on the top and bottom (or just on the top and
bottom, for individual radios like yours, Russ)?

Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:13 am    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

I have some 3/4"x3/4"x.125 angle running vertically on the front sides
of the stack, flush riveted into the panel. The trays all mount to
to that, and it was easy to do. I don't have any on top or bottom.
But, what I do also have is that since the stack fits through the
subpanel, I have some .063 (or maybe it's .125, but doesn't matter)
angle that outlines the rectangular hole where the radios that need
to fit through the subpanel go. The hole is cut so that the lower
most item (transponder) has just a tiny clearance to that lower
angle on the subpanel. Then I stuffed in a rubber spacer, and
have it zip tied down. It is plenty stiff to support itself
in flight without being fastened to the subpanel solidly, but it's
nice to take a little load off by allowing it to rest there, and
still tie it down so it can't flex up too far too.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Jesse Saint wrote:
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How are people holding in their radio stack(s)? I have used RadioRax in the
past, but they are pretty expensive. I assumed just normal aluminum angle
should do the trick, although would require a little bit more work in
alignment. Also, if angle, what size is being used, and is it just being
used on the sides, or also on the top and bottom (or just on the top and
bottom, for individual radios like yours, Russ)?

Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

Dick,

It appears that your panel is a solid piece to get more vertical height
instead of the stock version attached to the cross member. Can you
confirm? If so, what is the thickness? Does it simply have the bottom
edge bent back for stiffening?

Thanks.

Bob #40105

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Dick Sipp



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Panel Design was Digiflight IIVSVG Reply with quote

You are correct Bob. The panel is an exact duplicate of the two piece
assemble from Vans but made out of a single piece of metal. The bottom has
a 3/4" flange bent forward. It is no taller, just one piece. Same
thickness as the original. The kit cross member attachment to the fuselage
skin is replaced by a small piece of 3/4 angle behind the panel. When the
radio racks are anchored at the panel and sub-panel the assemble becomes
very rigid.

Dick
40065

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