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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

Here's a new one.

 

 It's a long story, but we were transporting our RV-10 inside a 26' Penske rental truck. (it will fit, if you can believe it!)

 

 Unfortunately, the crap that passes for roads in parts of this country bounced things around enough that one of our wings, held vertically in a cradle, shifted far enough that it contacted the fuselage step.  The result was a small hole, as illustrated in the attached photos.  More unfortunately, this is the fuel tank. 

 

 So what to do?  One current thought is to patch as follows:

 1. Keeping wing vertical, put some fuel into the tank and alllow it to flow out the hole, flushing any aluminum dust out of inside of the tank.

 2. Create a small patch just large enough to cover the hole.

 3. Using "flush" blind rivets and some ProSeal, attach the patch over the hole.

 

 The hole isn't really that big, so I'm not too concerned, structure-wise, as long as we can get a patch that is secure and not likely to leak.

 

 Comments?  Ideas?

 

 Tim Dawson-Townsend

 40025

 

 

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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

Darn that is a bad hole, I think that you should scrap both wings, send them here and then we will destroy them for you so that you don’t see the pain.  You will be able to build the new wings much faster and when we build our next 10 we shall be wings up so to speak.    

   

Rick is much more experienced at patching things so he should be able to give experienced advice.    

   

Bob K  

Still waiting to drill out my first rivet.  

Building engine.  

N104BK  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend

 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:51 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: FW: Hole in wing  

  

   

   

Here's a new one.

 

 It's a long story, but we were transporting our RV-10 inside a 26' Penske rental truck. (it will fit, if you can believe it!)

 

 Unfortunately, the crap that passes for roads in parts of this country bounced things around enough that one of our wings, held vertically in a cradle, shifted far enough that it contacted the fuselage step.  The result was a small hole, as illustrated in the attached photos.  More unfortunately, this is the fuel tank. 

 

 So what to do?  One current thought is to patch as follows:

 1. Keeping wing vertical, put some fuel into the tank and alllow it to flow out the hole, flushing any aluminum dust out of inside of the tank.

 2. Create a small patch just large enough to cover the hole.

 3. Using "flush" blind rivets and some ProSeal, attach the patch over the hole.

 

 The hole isn't really that big, so I'm not too concerned, structure-wise, as long as we can get a patch that is secure and not likely to leak.

 

 Comments?  Ideas?

 

 Tim Dawson-Townsend

 40025

 

 

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

Ok, that’s just bad juju.  I have been making plans to move my project from TX to WI in a 26’ Penske truck with the wings in the cradle next to the fuselage. 

  

I think your proseal blind rivet patch is the best idea.  Just use self sealing rivets. 

  

Michael 

Do not archive. 

    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend

Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:51 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: FW: Hole in wing



 

  

  

Here's a new one.



It's a long story, but we were transporting our RV-10 inside a 26' Penske rental truck. (it will fit, if you can believe it!)



Unfortunately, the crap that passes for roads in parts of this country bounced things around enough that one of our wings, held vertically in a cradle, shifted far enough that it contacted the fuselage step.  The result was a small hole, as illustrated in the attached photos.  More unfortunately, this is the fuel tank. 



So what to do?  One current thought is to patch as follows:

1. Keeping wing vertical, put some fuel into the tank and alllow it to flow out the hole, flushing any aluminum dust out of inside of the tank.

2. Create a small patch just large enough to cover the hole.

3. Using "flush" blind rivets and some ProSeal, attach the patch over the hole.



The hole isn't really that big, so I'm not too concerned, structure-wise, as long as we can get a patch that is secure and not likely to leak.



Comments?  Ideas?



Tim Dawson-Townsend

40025

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

I’d first make a hole in the rear bulkhead that Van’s sells the cover plate for.  Then, taking a piece of material, probably .040 like the wing skin, I would bend it to fit the contour of the wing, probably at least 3 inches in each direction beyond the hole, then match drill rivets with standard spacing and rivet the plate in, using proseal.  Then, you can putty the outside of the hole to take away the evidence to the unknowing eye, and screw or rivet on the backing plate that Van’s sells.  I wouldn’t put any fuel in the tank, but would clean out any chips with a vacuum and compressed air.  There shouldn’t be any chips from the hole, but from the rivet holes you make there will be.  That is a bummer of a place to have a hole.  

   

The other option is to proseal a length of aluminum tubing into the hole from the inside, and run it in place of the vent line.  This would give you an added boost in case of engine pump and boost pump failure.  

   

Do not archive.  

     

Jesse Saint  

I-TEC, Inc.  

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)  

www.itecusa.org  

W: 352-465-4545  

C: 352-427-0285  

        

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend

 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 9:51 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: FW: Hole in wing  

  

   

   

Here's a new one.

 

 It's a long story, but we were transporting our RV-10 inside a 26' Penske rental truck. (it will fit, if you can believe it!)

 

 Unfortunately, the crap that passes for roads in parts of this country bounced things around enough that one of our wings, held vertically in a cradle, shifted far enough that it contacted the fuselage step.  The result was a small hole, as illustrated in the attached photos.  More unfortunately, this is the fuel tank. 

 

 So what to do?  One current thought is to patch as follows:

 1. Keeping wing vertical, put some fuel into the tank and alllow it to flow out the hole, flushing any aluminum dust out of inside of the tank.

 2. Create a small patch just large enough to cover the hole.

 3. Using "flush" blind rivets and some ProSeal, attach the patch over the hole.

 

 The hole isn't really that big, so I'm not too concerned, structure-wise, as long as we can get a patch that is secure and not likely to leak.

 

 Comments?  Ideas?

 

 Tim Dawson-Townsend

 40025

 

 

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

Here's some tips for anyone plannning on moving inside a truck:

1) We used some 2x10s from ramps, but they'll need some support about halfway up (sawhorses).   2x12s might be a little better.  Keep an eye on them shifiting sideways.

2) Getting through the door is toughest since the gear is about 2 inches wider.  Put a strap between the main gear and flex it inwards a couple of inches that will help.  We sort of got one wheel in, then skidded a little sideways and pivoted the next wheel in.

3) Remove all tall external antennas first!  

4) Cowl will have to off for extra clearance against the wall as you are pivoting the wheels in.

5) For God's sake, don't even try it with the engine hung, unless your neighbors are linebackers.

6) As we learned, encase the fuse steps in foam, blankets, or something, no matter how much clearance you seem to have.

7) Straps, straps, and more straps!

 We laid elevators, stab, rudder on the floor under the fuselage.

9) A pair of visegrips will hold the rolling door open an extra inch or two.



I found Penske significantly cheaper than U-Haul, plus they have AAA discount and unlimited mileage!  (Diesel,too, but also cruise control!)



TDT

40025

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

K.M.A. Bob,  

  

 Yeah other peoples mistakes. Patches are covered in  AC 43.13-1B paragraph 4-58 Fig 4-16. I'm not going to elaborate, depending on  the location to the leading edge, it may require stiffeners. Refer to the  bible..I mean 43.13 to be sure your doing it right. But with a large enough  circle patch and proseal, two rivet lines may be needed, it should be  OK.

  

 Rick S.

 40185

 Fuse/Finish

  

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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: Hole in wing

Best advise to move it is by air.  Finish it and fly it the damage will be much less.  

   

Bob K  

Looking for a flatbed to move to the airport.  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:33 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: FW: Hole in wing  

  

   

Ok, that’s just bad juju.  I have been making plans to move my project from TX to WI in a 26’ Penske truck with the wings in the cradle next to the fuselage.  

   

I think your proseal blind rivet patch is the best idea.  Just use self sealing rivets.  

   

Michael  

Do not archive.  

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Dawson-Townsend

 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 8:51 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: FW: Hole in wing  

  

  

   

   

Here's a new one.

 

 It's a long story, but we were transporting our RV-10 inside a 26' Penske rental truck. (it will fit, if you can believe it!)

 

 Unfortunately, the crap that passes for roads in parts of this country bounced things around enough that one of our wings, held vertically in a cradle, shifted far enough that it contacted the fuselage step.  The result was a small hole, as illustrated in the attached photos.  More unfortunately, this is the fuel tank. 

 

 So what to do?  One current thought is to patch as follows:

 1. Keeping wing vertical, put some fuel into the tank and alllow it to flow out the hole, flushing any aluminum dust out of inside of the tank.

 2. Create a small patch just large enough to cover the hole.

 3. Using "flush" blind rivets and some ProSeal, attach the patch over the hole.

 

 The hole isn't really that big, so I'm not too concerned, structure-wise, as long as we can get a patch that is secure and not likely to leak.

 

 Comments?  Ideas?

 

 Tim Dawson-Townsend

 40025

 

 

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deruiteraircraftservices(
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: Hole in wing

hi,

  

 repair as per Van's suggestions. Cut a hole big  enough  in the rear baffle to pass your hand through with a fly cutter.  Clean out the tank, deburr the inside of the damage properly, make a patch and  dimple both skin and patch, plenty of proseal and rivet the patch on. Then cut a  circular patch to cover the hole in the rear baffle.

  

 Using access through the rear baffle is the Van's  recommended procedure to rectify any leaks when testing the tanks for leaks  after construction. This is in the manual.

  

 However, I would the parts from Van's and build a  new tank altogether as the profile of the tank might be a bit off because of the  bouncing, it doesn't look as if it cut straight through on the first go. use the  list on the Van's webstore.

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