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 Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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In a message dated 6/9/06 5:38:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jesse(at)itecusa.org writes:
| Quote: | | You are toting around a heavy cordless drill, worrying about keeping batteries charged, |
YES i am!!! It has great low speed control and far better torque at the high end. The batteries are not an issue... they go for days and there is a second one that comes in the kit. This is NOT a $15 cordless screwdriver. I still have my air drill... just waiting to see if i really need it again.....
PS - As a dentist, i made the jump from the old air drills at the dental office to electric high speeds! Patients have noticed that they are quieter and smoother running. Much better balance, quieter, and tons of torque. Yes, they are heavier then the air units, but it is NOT a big deal. I can even set the speed with much more precision vs the air units, that were almost all or none.
do not archive.
Steve
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / C-170B flyer
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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I am not arguing the value of air drills vs. electric drills. I’m just arguing the point as it applies to building airplanes. If you are happy with yours, that’s great. I wouldn’t use an electric slow drill (comparing your electric highspeed handpieces to turbine handpieces isn’t apples to apples. You would have to compare a 300,000 air handpiece to a 25,000 electric. Yes, the electric would have more torque, but it would take a lot longer to get through enamel. I’m not a dentist, but I do make handpieces.) for final-drilling my skins with the substructure because it would just be too slow. With the air drill you barely touch the hole and it’s drilled, which is where the weight really makes a difference. Size also makes a difference in tight places, where the 5/8” or so from the center of the bit to the edge of the drill allows you to drill holes with a normal bit that you otherwise may need a long bit for, or an angle drill. There is also the issue that someone mentioned of drilling aluminum slowly. I understand that Steel drills better when you are going slow, but aluminum seems to drill a lot easier when you are fast.
If you like your battery drill, more power to you, and more power to your arm from the exercise. Enjoy!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:00 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: air drills vs cordless
In a message dated 6/9/06 5:38:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jesse(at)itecusa.org writes:
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You are toting around a heavy cordless drill, worrying about keeping batteries charged, |
YES i am!!! It has great low speed control and far better torque at the high end. The batteries are not an issue... they go for days and there is a second one that comes in the kit. This is NOT a $15 cordless screwdriver. I still have my air drill... just waiting to see if i really need it again.....
PS - As a dentist, i made the jump from the old air drills at the dental office to electric high speeds! Patients have noticed that they are quieter and smoother running. Much better balance, quieter, and tons of torque. Yes, they are heavier then the air units, but it is NOT a big deal. I can even set the speed with much more precision vs the air units, that were almost all or none.
do not archive.
Steve
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / C-170B flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell
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ericmpmail-rv10(at)yahoo.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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Cordless drill is great for countersinking, but air
drill key for #30,#40 holes. Nice part about the air
drill is you can use it all day long and it is never
runs hotter than the air coming to it. I've had 4+ hr
sessions match drilling tail cone, wings, etc. My
experience is electric and cordless drills would be
hot to the touch with this sort of duty cycle.
My Sioux drill is actually one of my favorite tools
out of all of them, next would be my squeezer. It's
small, thin, light, well balanced, excellent trigger
control and fast.
What cordless drill are you using? 12V and 18V models
are too big to fit in many of the spaces.
Incremental cost of air drill is low as you need a
compressor anyway for setting rivets, etc.
Eric
--- Jesse Saint <jesse(at)itecusa.org> wrote:
| Quote: | I am not arguing the value of air drills vs.
electric drills. I’m just
arguing the point as it applies to building
airplanes. If you are happy
with yours, that’s great. I wouldn’t use an
electric slow drill (comparing
your electric highspeed handpieces to turbine
handpieces isn’t apples to
apples. You would have to compare a 300,000 air
handpiece to a 25,000
electric. Yes, the electric would have more torque,
but it would take a lot
longer to get through enamel. I’m not a dentist,
but I do make handpieces.)
for final-drilling my skins with the substructure
because it would just be
too slow. With the air drill you barely touch the
hole and it’s drilled,
which is where the weight really makes a difference.
Size also makes a
difference in tight places, where the 5/8” or so
from the center of the bit
to the edge of the drill allows you to drill holes
with a normal bit that
you otherwise may need a long bit for, or an angle
drill. There is also the
issue that someone mentioned of drilling aluminum
slowly. I understand that
Steel drills better when you are going slow, but
aluminum seems to drill a
lot easier when you are fast.
If you like your battery drill, more power to you,
and more power to your
arm from the exercise. Enjoy!
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
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"mailto:jesse(at)itecusa.org"jesse(at)itecusa.org
HYPERLINK "http://www.itecusa.org"www.itecusa.org
W: 352-465-4545
C: 352-427-0285
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
Behalf Of LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:00 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: air drills vs cordless
In a message dated 6/9/06 5:38:43 P.M. Eastern
Daylight Time,
jesse(at)itecusa.org writes:
You are toting around a heavy cordless drill,
worrying about keeping
batteries charged,
YES i am!!! It has great low speed control
and far better torque at
the high end. The batteries are not an issue... they
go for days and there
is a second one that comes in the kit. This is NOT
a $15 cordless
screwdriver. I still have my air drill... just
waiting to see if i really
need it again.....
PS - As a dentist, i made the jump from the old air
drills at the dental
office to electric high speeds! Patients have
noticed that they are quieter
and smoother running. Much better balance,
quieter, and tons of torque.
Yes, they are heavier then the air units, but it is
NOT a big deal. I can
even set the speed with much more precision vs the
air units, that were
almost all or none.
do not archive.
Steve
Stephen Blank RV-10 Builder #40499 / C-170B
flyer
766 SE River Lane
Port St. Lucie, FL 34983
772-475-5556 cell
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Rick S.
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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There's the solution we've all been looking for.  It's light, no cords,
and a great source of exercise. Takes the build time up to 3,000 hours, but
we're still well below the Lancair guys.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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Tried to catch that last one before it sent, but wasn't fast enough. On
primer, we have used a number of different things, but haven't seen anything
that even comes close to holding a candle to the Akzo Nobel primer from
Spruce. That stuff goes on easy, holds well and does not scratch easily.
Very highly recommended.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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Yea, well I gots a bow with the string wrapped around the hardened & pointed
dowel. Iffen ya'll spins it too fast it'll catch fire. Back & forth just a
fast or slow as required. Do Not Archive 'cause the first liar don't stand
a chance. KABONG 8*)
In our rivet classes for jr & high schoolers we predrill all the holes to
3/32" and then have them re-drill them to fit the 1/8" rivets. One pop, one
flush & one round. What a concept, no measuring, no marking, no punching
start marks just enlarge the holes & put in a cleco. Drill motors ??, we use
a 120V corded, a battery powered cordless & an air driven.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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Eric Panning wrote:
| Quote: | Cordless drill is great for countersinking, but air
drill key for #30,#40 holes. Nice part about the air
drill is you can use it all day long and it is never
runs hotter than the air coming to it. I've had 4+ hr
sessions match drilling tail cone, wings, etc. My
experience is electric and cordless drills would be
hot to the touch with this sort of duty cycle.
I can't comment on the electric drill getting hot after long sessions
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because long before that happened, my arm would fall off trying to hold
it up. I'm sure that isn't a concern for many, but if it is, you can do
what I plan to and use 1.25 lbs air drill.
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Rick S.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: air drills vs cordless |
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ummmm...sorry Jesse, was making a cheesy reference to drill wars vs. primer
wars...I didn't expect an answer because it would open a new can of worms,
darn your willingness to help!!!
Rick S.
40185
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