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gmcjetpilot(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts |
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*To gmcjetpilot alias George alias ???. It sure is easy to brag about your credentials when you dont post your real name.
I find it ironic that you get on Bob over his credentials, but you are just an anonymous poster who could be the bigger bullsh$$er of all time.
Why dont you add a few more titles while you are at it. No one will ever know if you are telling the truth of not.
Tom Velvick
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts |
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At 10:34 PM 1/1/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr(at)cox.net>
>The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is
>cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave
>the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw",
>"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all
non-quantified terms
>having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service
>life of the alternator.
I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka
Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator
instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth.
You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics.
Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain
Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first.
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I'm pleased that you're enjoying it sir but I wonder if you
truly understand the reason for the inquiry . . . and please
note that the quotation of me was taken from something other
than my letter to Niagara.
I did talk to Van's . . . they could not offer any clarification.
I never attacked Blue Mountain. Greg attacked me with words like:
"I've seen so much truly atrocious work, much of it per Bob's book".
When I asked him for clarification, over the course of several
e-mails he refused to answer a single, direct and politely
crafted question.
Words SHOULD mean things. So one presumes that when the phrases
I cited above were offered to expand a customer's understanding
of the product offered, it's reasonable to ask for definitions.
This is especially important when the words seem to imply
weakness or fragility when compared to similar products.
For example, suppose I offered you a new kit aircraft where I
suggested: "Do not operate too slow lest you fall out of the sky,
do not apply full control movements too fast lest you break something."
Would you not be curious as to the numbers describing "too slow"
and "too fast."
I'm aware of no other manufacturer who has found value in suggesting
that their alternator be "pampered" in any way. The astute consumer
would want to know what's different between Niagara's products
their competition . . . and further, what value the customer might
get from observing the cautions.
I'll make a wager with you. I'm willing to bet that the folks at
Niagara have no basis in physics for the paragraph under discussion.
We'll further deduce that putting such words in their product
literature unfairly suggests a deficiency in their product's
capabilities. We'll find that eliminating those words will make
their customers feel better about the product and offer no real
risks for making the decision to buy the product. What's your
wager? What's your hypothesis as to the answers to my questions?
I'll suggest that a discussion of alternator physics will be a lot
more fun than trying to paint me as the dishonorable individual you
seem to perceive.
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You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why
care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are
wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is
understandable
that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their
ignorance.
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I offered nothing in the way of an opinion to Niagra. I simply
introduced myself and inquired as to further definition of their
words. It's not polite to start a conversation with an argument
when it's possible that they will come forward with perfectly
good reasons for their words. If they have good reasons, I'll
be delighted to understand the basis on which they're offered.
That's how one learns new things. Wouldn't you agree? Are you
not equally interested in their answer? Wouldn't it be really
cool if I win my wager and Niagara's products can shed
an unfair suggestion of reduced value?
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>By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer
>for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS.
Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to
be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an
engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you
are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation
engineer,
the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than
you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an
oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering.
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Please don't toss the ol' sop out about degrees.
I've worked with many well degreed folks who cannot do
1/10th of what I do. A degree is simply a demonstration of
your ability to learn and says nothing about your ability or
willingness to apply what you've learned. I was blessed with many
opportunities to learn on my job. You know nothing about how
well I do anything and what my employers choose to call me and how
they assign my tasks is their business.
I've worked with some stellar folks and with some duds both
in management and engineering. So what's new? Are you suggesting
that ANY "real" EE could step in an take my job? Some could,
most could not.
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The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The
American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and
call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country
anyone can call themselves an engineer.
As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your
assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt
and low esteem towards engineers.
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Only some engineers. Nature has provided us with the bell curve:
a graphical presentation of gaussian distribution of traits in
large populations. In the population of engineers, there are some
that are very good and place high on the ordinate for capability
but low in numbers compared to the whole. But for every exceptional
individual, there must be a counter balancing individual who
may wear the mantle but has never achieved stature in their
craft. These too are small in number. Most are scattered along the
curve in accordance with their skills, willingness to learn and
opportunities to exercise their craft. I shouldn't have to explain
that to an educated person but meanings you attribute to my words
suggest that you don't understand this simple truth.
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Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college
who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously
doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers.
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I have said no such thing. I've made note of the fact that
my JC techs could all hit the ground running and the brightest
and most motivated became invaluable employees . . . some went
on to get higher degrees and are still invaluable employees. But
as noted above, a degree does not an invaluable employee make.
All of us have to perform in the marketplace and a degree guarantees
nothing.
| Quote: | Second your ignorance is common of people who dont know the body of
knowledge which
encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers.
You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like
failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA
ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data?
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Hmmm . . . first I'm compared with Fox News and now Cheers.
I don't watch either. In fact I watch very little television.
Therefore I'm at a loss to evaluate your similes.
George, George . . . you claim to know so much about me
but you keep offering opinions that do not agree with fact.
May I suggest some good books might prove much more useful
than television? Have you read any Thomas Sowell? Frederick Bastiat?
Thomas Paine? Don't if or where these guys went to school and
it doesn't matter. They write in simple ideas imminently understandable
and of obvious value. My goal is to think and write like these
men. What are your goals?
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Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of
engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure
you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how
superior you are over those college boys.
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Gee, I'll have to think about that . . . no, I don't have
any such stories. But I can tell you that in the aircraft business,
the vast majority of degreed engineers have become paper-pushers.
Their engineering knowledge brought with them out of school
was never given an opportunity to be exercised and grow. . . use it
or loose it. Unlike most of my contemporaries, I'm blessed with
opportunities to learn something new every day. Aviation is
singularly hard on engineers and offers only rare opportunities
to excel.
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it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder
iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years
old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little
delusional.
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The delusion is your's sir. You're welcome to come walk with me
for a week and see what I do for a living . . .
When did I ever speak to the uselessness of math? I cannot imagine
where you get these ideas. I have a half dozen computers that I regularly
program for various control tasks and analysis by calculation. I try
to keep plenty of calculators laying around so that one is always at
hand. I have one on my wrist! Now, when was the last time I was able
to make use of any technique from say, chapter 13 of my Calculus text
book? Never. That doesn't mean those disciplines are not useful to
some individuals. Every engineer I've ever worked with has confirmed
that in the hard-cold-cruel world of keeping happy customers coming back
to buy your products, they've used but a tiny fraction of that which
academia thought was important.
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As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls
technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree
from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of
Engineering Technology).
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NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of
Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit
and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold
advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of
engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing
boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity.
Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative
comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my
Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how
disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate
you Bob, I better sell my stock right now.
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I'd recommend that. If Raytheon would dump the aircraft albatross
the corporate stock would probably run back up to $75. Now that
the 4000 is close to certification, they'll probably continue their
exercise in self-abuse somewhat longer. But short of a big shooting
war I don't expect to see Raytheon stock do anything spectacular.
Less than 1/4th of my retirement portfolio holds Raytheon. Just
the humble opinion of an inside observer over the past 20 years.
But please don't take my word for it. I bought all of my stock
when it crashed from $75 to $18 a few years back . . . but it's been
frustratingly static for a long time. My investment advisor cousin
has suggested that I not buy any more . . . there are presently
much better places to put your money.
| Quote: | I have my sell order in for Monday
morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know
how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things
would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well.
Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767
Happy New Years.
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My new year is starting off very nicely thank you. I'm sorry
that your's is so burdened with unhappy thoughts borne out of
ignorance about me and what appears to be a disregard for folks
who choose to learn outside the hallowed halls of ivy. If universities
were the only source for useful knowledge, there are many stellar
minds in history that should never have achieved greatness.
I'm saddened that you do not seem to understand or appreciate
this fact.
Your buddy Bob (a get-yer-hands-dirty imposter that draws the
salary of an engineer and has thousands of
happy customers).
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BigD(at)DaveMorris.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: Re: Copy of my letter to Niagara Airparts |
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Well, Georgy-poo, I know what Bob has contributed to this hobby over the
past decade. Just exactly what have you contributed to our understanding of
OBAM electrical systems?
Dave Morris
Software ENGINEER
At 12:34 AM 1/2/2006, you wrote:
>From:
"Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr(at)cox.net>
>The only concerns I might have for alternator "stress" at low rpm is
>cooling. This is hard to achieve on a Lycoming installation when you leave
>the small pulley in place. Even so, terms like "low rpm", "very high draw",
>"extra strain", "reducing total load", and "brief" are all
non-quantified terms
>having no value for advancing either understanding or increasing service
>life of the alternator.
I think it is hilarious that you are NOW writing Niagara Airparts, aka
Canadian Aero Manufacturing, to ask what they meant in their alternator
instructions. Its great you are asking, but you already have run your mouth.
You said its wrong and gives no insight or understanding into the physics.
Why start asking questions now? You attacked Vans, Blue Mountain
Avionics and Skytec with out asking for their opinion or clarification first.
You are entitled to your opinion and not lacking them by the way, but why
care what Niagara says now; it makes no difference, you are right, they are
wrong. Your ability to write is far superior to anyone, so it is
understandable
that it does not meet your standards. Why embarrass them with their
ignorance.
>By way of introduction, I'm currently an electrical engineer
>for Raytheon Aircraft (Beech) in Wichita, KS.
Bob, you are not an engineer. You need to go to school and have a degree to
be an engineer. I dont care what your title is at Raytheon. You are not an
engineer and never will be. You are no doubt an excellent technician but you
are no engineer. It is like calling a garbage collector a sanitation
engineer,
the word engineer is there, but the can-thrower is no more an engineer than
you are a BSEE, MSEE or Ph.D EE. I dont care how well you work an
oscilloscope or solder iron that is not engineering.
The title engineer is one of the most miss used and abused terms. The
American Medical Board would not allow anyone to put up a shingle and
call himself or herself a Medical Doctor, MD. However in this country
anyone can call themselves an engineer.
As a licensed PE, with two engineering degrees I am offended by your
assertion you're an engineer, especially after your comments of contempt
and low esteem towards engineers.
Bob you said you would rather hire a person from a community college
who knows his way around a workbench than an engineer. First I seriously
doubt you are in charge of hiring engineers. Second your ignorance is
common of people who dont know the body of knowledge which
encompasses engineering. You're like Cliff Calvin, the Postman on Cheers.
You know a few facts and throw around words with out understanding, like
failure mode analysis to impresses someone. LETS SEE YOUR FMA
ANALYSIS. LETS SEE YOUR DATA. What no data?
Your comment of how unnecessary math is speaks to your ignorance of
engineering. Engineers do not necessarily work on the bench. I am sure
you can regale us with stories of how incompetent engineers are and how
superior you are over those college boys. Dumb engineers will live with
it, leaving the workbench to your Votech oscilloscope jockeys and solder
iron artist. I learned how to run a scope and solder iron when I was 13 years
old. It is a vocational skill not engineering Bob. Your just a little
delusional.
As a PE and with a MSME it is unacceptable if Raytheon capriciously calls
technical employees like yourself engineers, who do not hold a degree
from a college of engineering, accredited by ABET (American Board of
Engineering Technology).
NSPE (National Society of Professional Engineers) handles the licenser of
Professional Engineers (PE) and protects the profession from frauds, albeit
and apparently poorly. I hope the real engineers at Raytheon who hold
advanced degrees do not let technicians, such yourself hold the title of
engineer, and your letter to Niagara is just your normal smoke blowing
boastful self-importance display of grandioseness and pomposity.
Does your stupid management know you write all kinds of negative
comments about management (them) and Raytheon? I need to sell my
Raytheon stock. It is up over $40 and I bought it at $30. Knowing how
disgruntled you are with management and how Raytheon does not appreciate
you Bob, I better sell my stock right now. I have my sell order in for Monday
morning. A thanks for the heads up on how screwed up Raytheon is. I know
how you feel, you being an Eagle its hard to soar with Turkeys. Things
would be so much better if you where running things I'm sure. Oh well.
Your Buddy George, CFI,II,MEI,ATP,CE500, B737, B757, B767
Happy New Years.
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