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philperry9

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Posts: 381

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:22 am Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

I don't want to clog the airwaves this close to AirVenture, after all we all should be talking about airplanes and making plans meeting on the field.



Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2 weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

 

For those of you who would like to know what statement we're trying to make, you can find the message I posted on the EAA forums below.  It summarizes the campaign exactly.



Lets go have some to Oshkosh and have some fun.  Hopefully Saturday's meeting is just a short 1 hour detour to get the members voices formally documented on paper at the meeting.

 

See you in a few days,

Phil

========================

Hi Everyone,

 

 I am the individual who volunteered to represent the group of VAF  members initially, as well as anyone else who would like to participate  in the election this year.  This thread was brought to my attention by a  friend of mine, so I apologize for not joining in earlier.

 

 FloridaJohn did a really nice job of providing the complete history up  to this point.  He also identified the turning point that riled up the  VAF members and that is simply the ability to participate in an  election.

 

 There are a number of policy issues that are debatable among EAA  members.  Some of those are even embedded in this thread such as the 20  year requirement.  The thing about policy is that it can be debated  until the sun goes down and no one will ever win the discussion.  There  are reasonable merits on both sides of any policy debate and those are  better left in the hands of the Board of Directors.  The reality is that  we, as EAA members, simply can't write (or re-write) policy in a way  that is convenient to each of us.

 

 However, as members of the organization, we all (well almost all - you  have to be 18 years old) have the right to participate in the election  of the Board of Directors.  So it's our responsibility as members, both  satisfied and dissatisfied, to elect board members that we believe will  best serve our  needs as members of the organization.  Any policy  decision can be debated publicly but it can (and should) only be made by  the BOD members that we elect to represent us.

 

 Today, EAA members have 3 choices to participate in the election:1) They can simply not participate; or

 2) They can assign their vote to the leadership team of EAA; or

 3) They can show up in person and vote for the specific candidates they believe best represent their interests.

 



 The fourth option is missing and that is simply allowing all EAA members  (who can't attend in person) an opportunity to cast their own voting  ballots electronically.

 

 I will attempt to put it in the simplest terms.......  If an EAA  member's vote is valuable enough to assign to the leadership team, or if  a member's vote is valuable enough to be counted when they attend the  meeting in person, then ALL member's votes are of equal value and should be accounted for at the time of election.

 

 I should stop right here and not put blame on Mr. Hightower for this  either.  This hole in the voting membership is something that pre-dates  his arrival at the helm of EAA.  He should, however, be made aware of  the inequity of votes that does currently exist.  No EAA member's vote  should count more than any other member's vote, and today there is  discrimination between members who can attend in person and those who  can not.

 

 To ease the minds of many of you, we aren't going to have enough proxy  signatures to impact this election in any way, shape, or form.  However  we will have enough signatures to express concern about these inequities  and shine a spotlight on a key issue that all EAA members should be  concerned with.

 

 With regards to the proxy forms, you should know that this isn't a great   position to be put in.  However I know it's the right thing to do and I   promised my peer EAA members that I would represent them at the annual   meeting.  I'm a man of my word and will represent them in a reasonable   and professional manner.  I am hopeful that others who choose to  attend the meeting will do so in a respectful manner too.

 

 On a side note, none of you should let this collection of proxy forms  overshadow your time at AirVenture.  AirVenture is our event.  It is our  opportunity to meet other members, to make new friends, to learn about  the latest developments in aviation.  As birds of a feather, it is our  opportunity to flock together and we are fortunate to have such a  terrific place to do it.  The business meeting on Saturday isn't the  highlight of the show and it shouldn't be something everyone is focusing  their eyes on.  So go, have fun, relax, and be a kid for a week.  I'm  planning on enjoying myself catching up with old friends, making new  ones, and hanging out with airplanes. 

 

 Hopefully that explains what the proxy collection effort is about and  how we're campaigning to bring all EAA members the freedom to  participate in a truly democratic election.

 

 Thanks,

 Phil 

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:55 am Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

Heading to The Big Show with my Lifetime member proxy for you. 

Johnny Horizon On Jul 20, 2012 8:24 AM, "Phillip Perry" <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:[quote] I don't want to clog the airwaves this close to AirVenture, after all we all should be talking about airplanes and making plans meeting on the field.



Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2 weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

  

For those of you who would like to know what statement we're trying to make, you can find the message I posted on the EAA forums below.  It summarizes the campaign exactly.



Lets go have some to Oshkosh and have some fun.  Hopefully Saturday's meeting is just a short 1 hour detour to get the members voices formally documented on paper at the meeting.

  

See you in a few days,

Phil

========================

Hi Everyone,

 

 I am the individual who volunteered to represent the group of VAF  members initially, as well as anyone else who would like to participate  in the election this year.  This thread was brought to my attention by a  friend of mine, so I apologize for not joining in earlier.

 

 FloridaJohn did a really nice job of providing the complete history up  to this point.  He also identified the turning point that riled up the  VAF members and that is simply the ability to participate in an  election.

 

 There are a number of policy issues that are debatable among EAA  members.  Some of those are even embedded in this thread such as the 20  year requirement.  The thing about policy is that it can be debated  until the sun goes down and no one will ever win the discussion.  There  are reasonable merits on both sides of any policy debate and those are  better left in the hands of the Board of Directors.  The reality is that  we, as EAA members, simply can't write (or re-write) policy in a way  that is convenient to each of us.

 

 However, as members of the organization, we all (well almost all - you  have to be 18 years old) have the right to participate in the election  of the Board of Directors.  So it's our responsibility as members, both  satisfied and dissatisfied, to elect board members that we believe will  best serve our  needs as members of the organization.  Any policy  decision can be debated publicly but it can (and should) only be made by  the BOD members that we elect to represent us.

 

 Today, EAA members have 3 choices to participate in the election:1) They can simply not participate; or

 2) They can assign their vote to the leadership team of EAA; or

 3) They can show up in person and vote for the specific candidates they believe best represent their interests.

 



 The fourth option is missing and that is simply allowing all EAA members  (who can't attend in person) an opportunity to cast their own voting  ballots electronically.

 

 I will attempt to put it in the simplest terms.......  If an EAA  member's vote is valuable enough to assign to the leadership team, or if  a member's vote is valuable enough to be counted when they attend the  meeting in person, then ALL member's votes are of equal value and should be accounted for at the time of election.

 

 I should stop right here and not put blame on Mr. Hightower for this  either.  This hole in the voting membership is something that pre-dates  his arrival at the helm of EAA.  He should, however, be made aware of  the inequity of votes that does currently exist.  No EAA member's vote  should count more than any other member's vote, and today there is  discrimination between members who can attend in person and those who  can not.

 

 To ease the minds of many of you, we aren't going to have enough proxy  signatures to impact this election in any way, shape, or form.  However  we will have enough signatures to express concern about these inequities  and shine a spotlight on a key issue that all EAA members should be  concerned with.

 

 With regards to the proxy forms, you should know that this isn't a great   position to be put in.  However I know it's the right thing to do and I   promised my peer EAA members that I would represent them at the annual   meeting.  I'm a man of my word and will represent them in a reasonable   and professional manner.  I am hopeful that others who choose to  attend the meeting will do so in a respectful manner too.

 

 On a side note, none of you should let this collection of proxy forms  overshadow your time at AirVenture.  AirVenture is our event.  It is our  opportunity to meet other members, to make new friends, to learn about  the latest developments in aviation.  As birds of a feather, it is our  opportunity to flock together and we are fortunate to have such a  terrific place to do it.  The business meeting on Saturday isn't the  highlight of the show and it shouldn't be something everyone is focusing  their eyes on.  So go, have fun, relax, and be a kid for a week.  I'm  planning on enjoying myself catching up with old friends, making new  ones, and hanging out with airplanes. 

 

 Hopefully that explains what the proxy collection effort is about and  how we're campaigning to bring all EAA members the freedom to  participate in a truly democratic election.

 

 Thanks,

 Phil 

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:47 am Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably

 do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the

 several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High

 Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2

 weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can

 do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm

 hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that

 allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works 

best if things stay cordial.

Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing 

the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We 

elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and 

room for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year 

terms). We have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy 

process and to changing the board nomination process. My purpose was 

two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with the proxy process 

are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And second to 

attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at 

the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to 

thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process 

changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board 

is an ongoing project.

Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a 

copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the 

whole thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.

I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at 

www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the 

Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be 

there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's 

more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally 

has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving 

greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a 

wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the 

minutes be included.

Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents 

since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. 

I don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that 

Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in 

Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that 

scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the 

tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing 

a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of 

that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.

Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom 

in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.

Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!

--Rick

------------------------------------------------

On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:

 > -          Attached you will find a current list of directors.  Note

 > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or

 > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based

 > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008.  As a result

 > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce

 > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board.  The

 > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011.  Please verify if the

 > date indicated is correct.

It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.

 > -          There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to

 > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25

 > Directors.  Please provide your opinion.

If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe

our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the

final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"

directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your

spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on

running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal

without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.

At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.

Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not

sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that

small a board.

 > -          I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts

 > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that

 > need to be addressed.

The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new

president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board

works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing

better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a

fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.

I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &

election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix

of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we

really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get

to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating

committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.

It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.

In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan

looks like.

Happy New Year!

--Rick

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philperry9

Joined: 23 Nov 2011
Posts: 381

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

Rick,

Thanks for the feedback.  That's a breath of fresh air.  

I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.  

I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info when I get back to be house. 

Phil  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably

> do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the

> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High

> Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2

> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can

> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm

> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that

> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

 I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works best if things stay cordial.

 Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to changing the board nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with the proxy process are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And second to attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.

 Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.

 I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.

 Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.

 Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.

 Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!

 --Rick

 ------------------------------------------------

 On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:

 > -          Attached you will find a current list of directors.  Note

 > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or

 > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based

 > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008.  As a result

 > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce

 > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board.  The

 > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011.  Please verify if the

 > date indicated is correct.

 It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.

 > -          There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to

 > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25

 > Directors.  Please provide your opinion.

 If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe

 our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the

 final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"

 directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your

 spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on

 running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal

 without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.

 At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.

 Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not

 sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that

 small a board.

 > -          I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts

 > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that

 > need to be addressed.

 The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new

 president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board

 works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing

 better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a

 fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.

 I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &

 election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix

 of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we

 really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get

 to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating

 committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.

 It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.

 In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan

 looks like.

 Happy New Year!

 --Rick

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Kelly McMullen

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Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:34 am Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

Rick is one of the good guys, active on the Piper list that I administrate, has a Cherokee(had?) that was up for sale last I recall. 



On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

  

 Rick,

 

 Thanks for the feedback.  That's a breath of fresh air.

 

 I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.

 

 I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info when I get back to be house.

 

 Phil

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu (richard.beebe(at)yale.edu)> wrote:

 

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu (richard.beebe(at)yale.edu)>

 >

 > On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

 >> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably

 >> do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the

 >> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High

 >> Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2

 >> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can

 >> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm

 >> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that

 >> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

 >

 > I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works best if things stay cordial.

 >

 > Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to changing the board nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with the proxy process are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And second to attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.

  >

 > Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.

  >

 > I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.

  >

 > Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.

  >

 > Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.

 >

 > Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!

 >

 > --Rick

 >

 > ------------------------------------------------

 > On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:

 > > -          Attached you will find a current list of directors.  Note

 > > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or

 > > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based

 > > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008.  As a result

 > > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce

 > > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board.  The

 > > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011.  Please verify if the

 > > date indicated is correct.

 >

 > It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.

 >

 > > -          There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to

 > > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25

 > > Directors.  Please provide your opinion.

 >

 > If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe

 > our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the

 > final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"

 > directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your

 > spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on

 > running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal

 > without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.

 >

 > At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.

 > Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not

 > sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that

 > small a board.

 >

 > > -          I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts

 > > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that

 > > need to be addressed.

 >

 > The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new

 > president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board

 > works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing

 > better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a

 > fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.

 >

 > I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &

 > election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix

 > of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we

 > really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get

 > to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating

 > committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.

 > It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.

 >

 > In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan

 > looks like.

 >

 > Happy New Year!

 >

 > --Rick

 >

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

Still have. I have a couple people nibbling but no one has bit yet.



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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:25 pm Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

Phil; so when I get my admission on Monday am, I also need to renew my membership.  I will certainly go to Cleveland Tools to get my proxy vote, but do I need to ask anything at the gate Monday when I renew to prevent the proxy vote getting asigned to the EAA administration?

  

Thx,  Rick

40956

Southampton, Ont

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

  

 Rick,

 

 Thanks for the feedback.  That's a breath of fresh air.

 

 I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.

 

 I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info when I get back to be house.

 

 Phil

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu (richard.beebe(at)yale.edu)> wrote:

 

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu (richard.beebe(at)yale.edu)>

 >

 > On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

 >> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably

 >> do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the

 >> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High

 >> Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2

 >> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can

 >> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm

 >> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that

 >> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

 >

 > I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works best if things stay cordial.

 >

 > Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to changing the board nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with the proxy process are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And second to attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.

  >

 > Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.

  >

 > I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.

  >

 > Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.

  >

 > Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.

 >

 > Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!

 >

 > --Rick

 >

 > ------------------------------------------------

 > On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:

 > > -          Attached you will find a current list of directors.  Note

 > > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or

 > > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based

 > > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008.  As a result

 > > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce

 > > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board.  The

 > > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011.  Please verify if the

 > > date indicated is correct.

 >

 > It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.

 >

 > > -          There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to

 > > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25

 > > Directors.  Please provide your opinion.

 >

 > If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe

 > our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the

 > final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"

 > directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your

 > spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on

 > running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal

 > without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.

 >

 > At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.

 > Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not

 > sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that

 > small a board.

 >

 > > -          I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts

 > > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that

 > > need to be addressed.

 >

 > The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new

 > president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board

 > works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing

 > better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a

 > fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.

 >

 > I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &

 > election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix

 > of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we

 > really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get

 > to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating

 > committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.

 > It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.

 >

 > In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan

 > looks like.

 >

 > Happy New Year!

 >

 > --Rick

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 

 

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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:00 pm Post subject: Proxy Stuff..

Hi Rick.  

Second time I've been asked that question in the past 30 seconds.  No kidding!

Just make sure you know your member number and if you are asked to assign your proxy to the current leadership team, that something you don't want to do to avoid any confusion.  

See you in a few days.   

Thanks,

Phil



Sent from my iPhone



On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com (larkrv10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]Phil; so when I get my admission on Monday am, I also need to renew my membership.  I will certainly go to Cleveland Tools to get my proxy vote, but do I need to ask anything at the gate Monday when I renew to prevent the proxy vote getting asigned to the EAA administration?  

  

Thx,  Rick

40956

Southampton, Ont

On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Phil Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)>

  

 Rick,

 

 Thanks for the feedback.  That's a breath of fresh air.

 

 I will send you my cell information in a separate message and we should at least spend a few minutes talking at AV before Saturday.

 

 I'm currently at the doctors office with my son and will send the info when I get back to be house.

 

 Phil

 

 Sent from my iPhone

 

 On Jul 21, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu (richard.beebe(at)yale.edu)> wrote:

 

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Beebe <richard.beebe(at)yale.edu (richard.beebe(at)yale.edu)>

 >

 > On 7/20/2012 11:21 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:

 >> Personally I think we've pretty much done everything we can reasonably

 >> do between now and the time AirVenture closes.  My concern is that the

 >> several folks are looking forward to the business meeting like a 'High

 >> Noon' duel on main street.  We've collected enough proxy votes in 2

 >> weeks to make a reasonable statement and express our concerns.  We can

 >> do it in a respectful manner and see how EAA chooses to respond.  I'm

 >> hopeful they will accept the proxy's and provide better methods that

 >> allow all EAA members to participate in elections.

 >

 > I'm looking forward to meeting you at the meeting and, I agree. It works best if things stay cordial.

 >

 > Earlier this week I spent quite a while writing a long email describing the changes the board has been undergoing for the past few years. We elected to downsize from over 50 to 25 or less. 18 elected members and room for 7 class III directors (appointed by the board for 1 year terms). We have also talked about adding transparency to the proxy process and to changing the board nomination process. My purpose was two-fold. One to let you know that your concerns with the proxy process are not new and that some of us also want to see changes. And second to attempt to preempt future cries along the line of "See, we showed up at the meeting with our proxies and now the board is making changes to thwart us next year!" I don't know, yet, if there will be process changes next year but I did want you to know that redefining the board is an ongoing project.

  >

 > Unfortunately, I sent the email from the wrong address without saving a copy and the matronics server bounced it without actually sending the whole thing back to me. And I've been too busy this week to write it again.

  >

 > I also wrote that I found the current list of directors. It's at www.oshkosh365.org -> EAA Members Only -> Member Resources in the Membership section. I personally believe the board minutes should be there as well. They've had a lot of web site problems so I think that's more of an oversight than an active attempt to hide things. EAA finally has an IT director who knows what he's doing and IT has been improving greatly since he came on board. I believe we're going to see a wholescale revamp of the EAA web presence and I will ask that the minutes be included.

  >

 > Finally I had included some history of each of the board incumbents since you had complained that you had no basis to vote for any of them. I don't have time to rewrite all that but I would like to point out that Barry Davis was only elected 3 years ago. He founded the EAA Chapter in Carollton, GA and is very active in it. He was part of a group that scratchbuilt 6 identical Pietenpols (2 of which got balled up in the tornado at Sun 'n Fun--they rebuilding them) and is currently finishing a ground-up restoration of his 1957 Cessna 172. In short, he's part of that fresh-vision homebuilder stock you were looking for.

  >

 > Just as reference, below I've attached a copy of an email I sent to Tom in January, 2011 talking about the board restructuring.

 >

 > Safe travels everyone. See you at AirVenture!

 >

 > --Rick

 >

 > ------------------------------------------------

 > On 01/07/2011 10:30 AM, Tom Poberezny wrote:

 > > -          Attached you will find a current list of directors.  Note

 > > behind the Director name is the date each Director planned to retire or

 > > if they were going to serve long term (3 years or more). This was based

 > > on the conversations I had with each Board member in 2008.  As a result

 > > of those interviews, these dates were developed in an effort to reduce

 > > the size of the Board (25 or less), a goal approved by the Board.  The

 > > plan was to reach this size by the end of 2011.  Please verify if the

 > > date indicated is correct.

 >

 > It is. I'd like to serve at least one more 3 year term.

 >

 > > -          There have been thoughts expressed by some Directors as to

 > > whether or not we should continue to downsize the Board to 25

 > > Directors.  Please provide your opinion.

 >

 > If we take the division/council chairs out, we're at 24 now. I believe

 > our goal was 3 groups of 6 elected directors and that this year is the

 > final group. So we're nearly there anyway. We have some "extra"

 > directors because some of us got converted to class 3. Based on your

 > spreadsheet it seems like quite a few directors are not planning on

 > running next year so that gives us an opportunity to get to the goal

 > without getting rid of people we'd like to keep.

 >

 > At any rate, I'm ambivalent about whether the count is 6 or 7 per year.

 > Many people will say a board shouldn't be larger than 8 or 9 but I'm not

 > sure we could adequately represent our diverse membership with that

 > small a board.

 >

 > > -          I am also asking each Director to share their thoughts

 > > regarding what you feel are the 2 - 3 key Governance priorities that

 > > need to be addressed.

 >

 > The board downsizing combined with building a relationship with a new

 > president gives us a great opportunity to re-evaluate how the board

 > works. I don't think the board is broken, but I think it could be doing

 > better. Ie let's look at Board Development. FWIW I've recently become a

 > fan of John Carver's Policy-Governance Board model.

 >

 > I also think it's a good time to take a look at the entire nominating &

 > election process to increase transparency and to make sure we have a mix

 > of directors that fairly represent the membership and have the skills we

 > really need in a board. That may include a proxy where the members get

 > to choose specific candidates. It may include an active nominating

 > committee that recruits candidates and doing away with self-nomination.

 > It may include term limits. I'm open to discussions about all three.

 >

 > In short, I'm looking forward to seeing what your Board Governance plan

 > looks like.

 >

 > Happy New Year!

 >

 > --Rick

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 

 

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