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gus.fraser(at)gs.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

See while our (FAA) regs may be a pile of s&^t, they are the best pile of

s^&t you can get, Read below :-



From:  <aboyd(at)qnx.com>

Subj:  [Acro] Acro Videos, etc

Date:  Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:39 pm

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To:  <acro(at)aerobatics.ws>



We're busy trying to get four pilots trained up and qualified, but we've hit

a minor snag.



One of our pilots had heart bypass surgery, and our local Feds (Transport

Canada) are saying that it's medically unsafe to fly aerobatics after heart

bypass surgery.



We asked them what data they had, and their reply was "none".  We pointed

out to them that in the USA, the FAA permitted aerobatics after heart bypass

surgery, and Transport Canada replied "We don't care about the FAA".



We really don't want to let Transport Canada set a precedent like this, on

no evidence - in fact, ignoring the evidence - so we're off the Tribunal to

argue this.



If you - or someone else you know - has had heart bypass surgery, and went

on to fly aerobatics on his FAA medical, I'd appreciate it if you could send

me an email with his or her name, so that I could present a list of American

pilots to the Tribunal who had heart bypass surgery, had got their FAA

medicals back, and went on to fly aerobatics without medical complications

from their heart surgery.  I don't want to violate anyone's privacy, though!



Thanks in advance,



--

aboyd   ATP   www.pittspecials.com/movies/outsideloop.wmv



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wlannon(at)cablerocket.co
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: Best regs in the world

Gus;

Before you beat up on Canada maybe you should ask some questions of your 

friend who has a friend who had by-pass surgery.

For example when did he have the surgery.



Being a long in the tooth Canadian pilot I have a number of pilot friends 

who have had bypass surgery and returned to flight status after a period of 

time.



In one case after a quintupal by-pass back to commercial operation in six 

months.



The Feds can be a pain in the ass here in many respects but in fact are no 

different than the FAA or any other civil "servants".



I guess you missed Joe's post a few day's back pointiung out that us poor 

downtrodden frozen Canucks can fly our CJ's, Yak's etc. anywhere in the 

country at any time for any reason without sending a FAX to anyone. Yeah we 

do have it tough!



Walt



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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

There is more to this Medical issue the meets the eye.  I personally know 

the people involved in this dispute and can say that they and Transport 

Canada have not seen eye to eye for quite some time. The general feeling is 

that TC is dusting off an obscure REG to pull a "Bob Hoover" on them. I 

sincerely hope they are successful in their fight, for he definitely is more 

fit then a lot of us for acro work.



As for Walt's comment, we Canadian were successful a few years back in 

obtaining from TC the authorization to operate ANY (from the Yak to the 

Mig21) Warbirds as a recreational airplane. Basically, all Canadian YAK/CJ 

are pre-moratorium.



Dan

[quote]From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon(at)cablerocket.com>

Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Best regs in the world

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:44 -0800






Gus;

Before you beat up on Canada maybe you should ask some questions of your 

friend who has a friend who had by-pass surgery.

For example when did he have the surgery.



Being a long in the tooth Canadian pilot I have a number of pilot friends 

who have had bypass surgery and returned to flight status after a period of 

time.



In one case after a quintupal by-pass back to commercial operation in six 

months.



The Feds can be a pain in the ass here in many respects but in fact are no 

different than the FAA or any other civil "servants".



I guess you missed Joe's post a few day's back pointiung out that us poor 

downtrodden frozen Canucks can fly our CJ's, Yak's etc. anywhere in the 

country at any time for any reason without sending a FAX to anyone. Yeah we 

do have it tough!



Walt



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L39parts(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: Best regs in the world

Daytime, no overwater, VFR, right?



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wlannon(at)cablerocket.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Best regs in the world

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N13472(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: Best regs in the world

In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:53:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  wlannon(at)cablerocket.com writes:

 [quote]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon"    <wlannon(at)cablerocket.com>

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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Daytime? VFR? No over water????



You have been mislead my friend. The airplanes can, if properly equipped, 

fly in any conditions. When they were originally issued a CofA (back it the 

old days), it was limited to Day-VFR. One had to prove to TC that the 

airplane was equipped in accordance with the Night or IFR equipment list and 

the limitation was removed. Today, one can get night IFR certification upon 

original issue of the Limitations.



D

[quote]From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts(at)hotmail.com>

Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Best regs in the world

Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:31:39 -0700






Daytime, no overwater, VFR, right?



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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:45 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Ahhh, the old CofA validation.



I have done quite a few of those for both my Canadian CJ and my US Fouga.



Facts; Any non-certified airplane need a CofA validation when flying in 

foreign airspace. Just last week, I flew an airplane for a museum on a ferry 

flight permit and had to do a 50nm detour to remain within Canadian airspace 

since we didn't have time to talk to the FAA about this little endeavor of 

ours.



When a Canadian non-certified Warbird need to go to the US, the operator 

MUST prior to entry into the country obtain a letter from the FAA.  

Depending on which FSDO you deal with (surprised?) they may issue the letter 

for a specific event (ie Plattsburgh airshow), list the port of entry and 

the airports from which they allow you to operate (these FSDO will usually 

only allow airports that fall in their region...). Usually, these FSDO will 

also give you a short time frame for this event ie; 2 or 3 days. Should you 

need more time, you need another letter! Once in a while you find a FSDO 

that is a little more logic, they will issue you a letter valid for any 

event with any port of entry with all the required technical stops and the 

letter is usually valid until Dec 31st.  I'll let you guess which one I am 

currently dealing with...



When a US experimental Warbird needs to come to Canada, the operator MUST 

prior to entry in the country obtain a letter from TC. The difference here 

is that there are strict procedures that the TC inspector must follow in 

issuing these letters. All letters are basically the same. All impose the 

same restrictions (which are basically validating the FAA issued 

limitations) and all letters are valid for 90days. No restriction of 

airports, time (other then the 90days) and the letter is valid anywhere in 

the country. Yes it is true that TC has a user pas system and such a 

validation cost $100 CDN, but Canada custom is free!!! US Custom has been 

charging $25/year for as long as I can remember.



Walt,



I ever flew the Mig21, but the Hawker Hunters I did fly fall under the same 

category as any CJ and we flew those IFR all the time. Sure TC may impose 

more severe limitations of Fighter airplane, but again, if they are equipped 

for night/IFR, they will be allowed to fly in such conditions.



Cheers,



Dan

[quote]From: N13472(at)aol.com

Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Best regs in the world

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:08:03 EST

In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:53:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

wlannon(at)cablerocket.com writes:




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L39parts(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:45 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Perhaps I am wrong.  I was under the impression that night VFR was 

prohibited in Canada in all aircraft.  It is in most of the world.  I was 

also under the impression that Canada prohibited all  single-engine aircraft 

from flying over water, unless within gliding distance of land, and I was 

under the impression that non-type certificated planes were restricted to 

VFR in the great white North.



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L39parts(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Can you get night VFR?



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cdonnell(at)mts.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Yep, wrong.  Our rules are available on the net from T.C.(Sorry, I don't

have the link handy, will follow up).  The only restictions to night VFR

flight apply to commercial operators flying single pistion aircraft with

passengers (student pilots in pursuit of a night endorsement are allowed).

If you are over water beyond gliding distance from land, appropriate

survival equipment such as life jackets is required.  over time the

flexibility that non-type certificated planes are operated with has

increased, along with the capabilities of the aircraft.



Have a good one,

Cameron



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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Ron,



Night VFR is authorized in Canada in any aircraft that is properly equipped. 

Personally, I don't like flying a single at night that much, but it is legal 

non the less. The fact the airplane is non-type certified has nothing to do 

with its ability to fly at night or in IFR. The equipment installed must 

simply meet all night/IFR regulation and be maintainned IAW all night / IFR 

maintenance requirements. Including any AD or SB; not to the airplane, but 

the avionics / instruments. As with a "normal" airplane.



As for over water flight, you are correct in saying that all single engine 

must remain withing gliding distance of land UNLESS sufficient floating 

devices are carried for all pearson on board. Most of whom have flown with 

me out of OSH know I carry 2 life vest in my CJ enroute to MTW. There is 

simply no way my CJ will glide to any shore if the engine quits at 1500ft in 

the middle of lake Winabago.



Cheers,



Dan

[quote]From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts(at)hotmail.com>

Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Best regs in the world

Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:44:47 -0700






Perhaps I am wrong.  I was under the impression that night VFR was 

prohibited in Canada in all aircraft.  It is in most of the world.  I was 

also under the impression that Canada prohibited all  single-engine 

aircraft from flying over water, unless within gliding distance of land, 

and I was under the impression that non-type certificated planes were 

restricted to VFR in the great white North.



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JOE HOWSE

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 140
Location: DUNCAN BC CANADA

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

I have never had a problem obtaining quote "FOREIGN  CIVIL AIRCRAFT SPECIAL FLIGHT AUTHORIZATION" for flights over US territory,  from the FAA.

 for my CJ6.

  

 Last one was effective Dec12 2005 to Dec 12 2006.  

  

 For day VFR only unless equipped for night VFR and  /or IFR.

  

  

 Joe Howse

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J.C. HOWSE

wlannon(at)cablerocket.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: Best regs in the world

Hey Tom;

  

 No, I over simplified that, we must write, phone,  email or Fax and get a reply to carry in the aircraft.  In this  area we are not charged for this service. The reason, I have been told, is that  there is a bilateral agreement in place where both countries have agreed to free  border crossing permits for AMATUER built aircraft. The FAA have taken the  logical and sensible approach to lump us into that group rather than charge a  fee. I don't know if that is regional FAA decision or not. So far TC is not  using the same approach.

  

 So, if you bring a homebuilt into Canada there is no charge but your CJ is  still $100. We are making noise about this but so far no one is  listening, it has a serious impact on attendance at our annual Yak  fly-in.

  

 Apologetically;

 Walt

   

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   Only a fax to the FAA?? When I went to Canada it was several phone calls    and $100.00

   Canadian! To get approval to take my CJ into Canada. Although I must    say that dealing

   with the Canadian FAA i.e. Transport Canada was a very good experience.    All of the people

   I dealt with were very helpful, they returned all phone calls and I    felt that they really wanted

   to help me get the paper work done so I could attend some airshows    in Canada.       

   Tom &    Nora Elliott

CASCADE WARBIRDS

CJ-6A NX63727

777 Quartz Ave #    7004

Sandy Valley NV 89019

Home 702-723-1223

Fax 702-723-1243

Cell    702-595-2680 Tom

Cell 702-808-1316  Nora

N13472(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: Best regs in the world

In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:53:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  wlannon(at)cablerocket.com writes:

 [quote]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon"    <wlannon(at)cablerocket.com>

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