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I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve this number or redo the piping.
I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133 L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual hardware
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Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
during the take off.
Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
[quote] I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
this number or redo the piping.
I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
hardware.
Any suggestions?
Sylvain April
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:57:23 -0700
> From: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
> To: m14pengines-list-digest(at)matronics.com
> Subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
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> Today's Message Index:
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>
> 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
> 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
> 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
> 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
> 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com)
> 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
> 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
> From: Sylvain April <sapril001(at)hotmail.com>
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all=2C
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com>
> Subject: M462
>
> I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
offer.
> It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
overhaul.
> Includes accessories.
>
> A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
> splined propeller shaft.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com>
> Subject: RE: Free Fuel Flow
>
> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
> Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> >
> > George Coy
> >
> > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
> >
> > 802-868-4465 Fax
> >
> > george.coy(at)gmail.com <mailto:george.coy(at)gmail.com>
> >
> > http://coyafct.com/
> >
> > SKYPE george.coy
> >
> > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> > *Sylvain April
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > *To:* m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Free Fuel Flow
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection.
> > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?M14PEngines-List*
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
> From: "William Halverson" <william(at)netpros.net>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
have not ever
> seen a chart for that engine ...
>
> Thanks!
>
> William Halverson
> N355YK
> YAK-55
>
>
> +--
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n35dy(at)bellsouth.net
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
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Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at OLV this afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a good bit lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
2950 RPM
39.8 " MP
fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
Dan Young
N12DY
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
during the take off.
Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
[quote] I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
this number or redo the piping.
I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
hardware.
Any suggestions?
Sylvain April
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:57:23 -0700
> From: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
> To: m14pengines-list-digest(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list-digest(at)matronics.com)
> Subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
>
> *
>
> =========================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> =========================
>
> Today's complete M14PEngines-List Digest can also be found in either
of the
> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted
> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> of the M14PEngines-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
editor
> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
>
[url=http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-04-09&Archive=M14PEngines]http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-04-09&Archive=M14PEngines[/url]
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>
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> =======================
> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> =======================
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> M14PEngines-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Sat 04/09/11: 10
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
> 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
> 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
> 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
> 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
> 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
> 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
> From: Sylvain April <sapril001(at)hotmail.com (sapril001(at)hotmail.com)>
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all=2C
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> Subject: M462
>
> I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
offer.
> It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
overhaul.
> Includes accessories.
>
> A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
> splined propeller shaft.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> Subject: RE: Free Fuel Flow
>
> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
> Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> >
> > George Coy
> >
> > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
> >
> > 802-868-4465 Fax
> >
> > george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com) <mailto:george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)>
> >
> > http://coyafct.com/
> >
> > SKYPE george.coy
> >
> > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] *On Behalf Of
> > *Sylvain April
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > *To:* m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
> > *Subject:* Free Fuel Flow
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection.
> > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
> From: "William Halverson" <william(at)netpros.net (william(at)netpros.net)>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
have not ever
> seen a chart for that engine ...
>
> Thanks!
>
> William Halverson
> N355YK
> YAK-55
>
>
> +--
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n35dy(at)bellsouth.net
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
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I forgot to add that it is a PF engine and the numbers come from a Grand Rapids EIS.
Dan Young
From: daniel young <n35dy(at)bellsouth.net>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at OLV this afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a good bit lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
2950 RPM
39.8 " MP
fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
Dan Young
N12DY
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
during the take off.
Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
[quote] I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
this number or redo the piping.
I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
hardware.
Any suggestions?
Sylvain April
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:57:23 -0700
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> 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
> 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
> 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
> 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
> 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
> 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
> 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
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> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
> From: Sylvain April <sapril001(at)hotmail.com (sapril001(at)hotmail.com)>
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all=2C
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> Subject: M462
>
> I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
offer.
> It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
overhaul.
> Includes accessories.
>
> A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
> splined propeller shaft.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> Subject: RE: Free Fuel Flow
>
> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
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> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
> Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> >
> > George Coy
> >
> > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
> >
> > 802-868-4465 Fax
> >
> > george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com) <mailto:george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)>
> >
> > http://coyafct.com/
> >
> > SKYPE george.coy
> >
> > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] *On Behalf Of
> > *Sylvain April
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > *To:* m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
> > *Subject:* Free Fuel Flow
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection.
> > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
> From: "William Halverson" <william(at)netpros.net (william(at)netpros.net)>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
have not ever
> seen a chart for that engine ...
>
> Thanks!
>
> William Halverson
> N355YK
> YAK-55
>
>
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
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That is just about the same fuel burn I had flying a 1425hp T28. Use to figure 50gph on it. Those 400 hp M-14 engines must be pretty thirsty. My dads old twin Beech used 40gph with 2 450hp 985s.
From: daniel young <n35dy(at)bellsouth.net>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:29:11 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
I forgot to add that it is a PF engine and the numbers come from a Grand Rapids EIS.
Dan Young
From: daniel young <n35dy(at)bellsouth.net>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at OLV this afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a good bit lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
2950 RPM
39.8 " MP
fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
Dan Young
N12DY
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
during the take off.
Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
[quote] I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
this number or redo the piping.
I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
hardware.
Any suggestions?
Sylvain April
> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:57:23 -0700
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
> 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
> 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
> 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
> 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
> 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
> 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
> From: Sylvain April <sapril001(at)hotmail.com (sapril001(at)hotmail.com)>
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all=2C
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> Subject: M462
>
> I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
offer.
> It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
overhaul.
> Includes accessories.
>
> A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
> splined propeller shaft.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
> From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> Subject: RE: Free Fuel Flow
>
> You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
>
>
> George Coy
>
> CAS Ltd.
>
> 714 Airport Rd.
>
> Swanton VT 05488
>
> 802-868-5633 off
>
> 802-363-5782 cell
>
> 802-868-4465 Fax
>
> george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
>
> http://coyafct.com/
>
> SKYPE george.coy
>
>
> From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> April
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> Subject: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
>
> What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection. (
> Fuel Pump Inlet )
>
> What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
power.
>
> Thanks
> Sylvain April
> Murphy Moose C-GFFO
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
> Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
> Dennis
>
> On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> >
> > George Coy
> >
> > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
> >
> > 802-868-4465 Fax
> >
> > george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com) <mailto:george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)>
> >
> > http://coyafct.com/
> >
> > SKYPE george.coy
> >
> > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] *On Behalf Of
> > *Sylvain April
> > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > *To:* m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
> > *Subject:* Free Fuel Flow
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
connection.
> > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
off power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> > * *
> >
> > * *
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
> > **
> >
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> >
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> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
> From: "William Halverson" <william(at)netpros.net (william(at)netpros.net)>
> Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
>
>
>
> Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
have not ever
> seen a chart for that engine ...
>
> Thanks!
>
> William Halverson
> N355YK
> YAK-55
>
>
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:01 am Post subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
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Jeff
Yes. That is takeoff fuel flow; WOT. In cruise I use 15.5 gph.
DY
From: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes(at)gmail.com>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Those fuel burn numbers are for TO, not cruise.... Right? On 2011-04-10 8:24 PM, "Steve Culp" <culpspecial(at)yahoo.com (culpspecial(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | That is just about the same fuel burn I had flying a 1425hp T28. Use to
> figure 50gph on it. Those 400 hp M-14 engines must be pretty thirsty. My dads
|
| Quote: | Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:29:11 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
>
|
| Quote: | Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
>
|
| Quote: |
Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at OLV this
afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a good bit
> lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
|
| Quote: |
2950 RPM
39.8 " MP
fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
Dan Young
N12DY
>
|
| Quote: | Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
|
| Quote: |
Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
> during the take off.
|
| Quote: |
Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
>> I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
|
| Quote: | > flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
> I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
>> accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
|
| Quote: | > I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
> maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
>> this number or redo the piping.
|
| Quote: | > I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
> L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
> hardware.
>>
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> > 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
> > 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
>> > 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
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| Quote: | > > 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> > 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
> > 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
>> > 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
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| Quote: | > > 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> > 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
>> > 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
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| Quote: | > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> > Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
> > From: Sylvain April <sapril001(at)hotmail.com (sapril001(at)hotmail.com)>
>> > Subject: Free Fuel Flow
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> > Hi all=2C
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection. (
> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
>> power.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>> >
|
| Quote: | > >
> > Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
> > From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> > Subject: M462
>> >
|
| Quote: | > > I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
> offer.
> > It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
> overhaul.
>> > Includes accessories.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
> > splined propeller shaft.
> >
> >
> > George Coy
>> >
|
| Quote: | > > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
>> > 802-363-5782 cell
|
| Quote: | > > April
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: Free Fuel Flow
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection. (
> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
>> power.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> > Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
> > From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
>> > Subject: RE: Free Fuel Flow
|
| Quote: | > >
> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> >
> >
> > George Coy
> >
>> > CAS Ltd.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
>> >
|
| Quote: | > > April
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
>> > Subject: Free Fuel Flow
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
>> engine.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection. (
> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
>> power.
|
| Quote: | > >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> > Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
>> > Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
|
| Quote: | > >
> > Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
> > Dennis
> >
> > On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
>> > > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
|
| Quote: | > > >
> > > George Coy
> > >
> > > CAS Ltd.
> > >
> > > 714 Airport Rd.
>> > >
|
| Quote: | > > > Swanton VT 05488
> > >
> > > 802-868-5633 off
> > >
> > > 802-363-5782 cell
> > >
> > > 802-868-4465 Fax
>> > >
|
| Quote: | > > > *Subject:* Free Fuel Flow
> > >
> > > Hi all,
>> > >
|
| Quote: | > > > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
> engine.
> > >
> > > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
>> connection.
|
| Quote: | > > > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
> > >
> > > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
> off power.
> > >
>> > > Thanks
|
| Quote: | > > > Sylvain April
> > > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> > >
> > > * *
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> >
> >
> > Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
> > From: "William Halverson" <william(at)netpros.net (william(at)netpros.net)>
>> > Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
|
| Quote: | > >
> >
> >
> > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ...
> have not ever
>> > seen a chart for that engine ...
|
| Quote: | > >
> > Thanks!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:04 pm Post subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11 |
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In my Yak 55M I run at 76% RPM in cruise with the throttle set at the same position as the prop lever at lower altitudes. As MP drops at higher altitudes, the throttle goes to firewall and back about ˝ inch. Invariably, fuel consumption is near enough to 1 litre per minute. (That setting is higher than the M14P book rate for the Nominal Cruise numbers but the Yak 55M in my opinion does not cruise well at the lower airspeed associated with the M14P book rate). It makes for easy airborne mental arithmetic. Check the wing route fuel gauges which are calibrated in litres, add them up and you immediately know how many minutes you have to go before the engine quits. I don’t have a fuel flow meter but the stats are based on multi leg long cross country trips knowing the flight time and topping off the tanks before and after each leg. That seems to tally somewhat well with your 15.5 gph. But is that US gallons or imperial gallons?
Full power aerobatics at near sea level is altogether another story. My stats are less reliable but I see rates as quoted at 2.4 l/min or around 45 gph – essentially the book rate.
In the absence of a fuel flow meter to confirm the actual rate, as we all know, this depends on density altitude, the jets installed, time to land at lower power, etc. As a rule of thumb, it’s not far off. And the Russians have done their homework and I have no reason to doubt their book numbers. Alternatively, my experience, less rigourously, confirms their numbers.
Royden
From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of daniel young
Sent: 11 Apr 2011 5:57 AM
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Jeff
Yes. That is takeoff fuel flow; WOT. In cruise I use 15.5 gph.
DY
From: Jeff Micheal <westcoastkitplanes(at)gmail.com>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 10:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Those fuel burn numbers are for TO, not cruise.... Right?
On 2011-04-10 8:24 PM, "Steve Culp" <culpspecial(at)yahoo.com (culpspecial(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] That is just about the same fuel burn I had flying a 1425hp T28. Use to
figure 50gph on it. Those 400 hp M-14 engines must be pretty thirsty. My dads
old twin Beech used 40gph with 2 450hp 985s.
________________________________
From: daniel young <n35dy(at)bellsouth.net (n35dy(at)bellsouth.net)>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:29:11 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
I forgot to add that it is a PF engine and the numbers come from a Grand Rapids
EIS.
Dan Young
________________________________
From: daniel young <n35dy(at)bellsouth.net (n35dy(at)bellsouth.net)>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 7:23:00 PM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
Here are numbers I got on takeoff in my Model 12 today. It was hot at OLV this
afternoon (87 deg and 29.85 for a DA of 2356)
As was earlier pointed out, the static ff at the start of the run is a good bit
lower than at the end of the departure end doing about 200 mph.
2950 RPM
39.8 " MP
fuel flow was about 40 at start of takeoff and climbed to 46.
Dan Young
N12DY
________________________________
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 8:47:09 AM
Subject: Re: RE: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
--> M14PEngines-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
Are the 133 L/Hr during a ground run up and not an actual take off?
Manifold pressure and resulting fuel consumption figures will increase
during the take off.
Another point to remember Sylvain, the specifications from the M14
manual are also based on operation at sea level on a standard day.
Dennis
On 4/10/2011 8:21 AM, Sylvain April wrote:
> I have installed AN-6 fittings and 3/8 inch piping, I find 133 L/hr free
> flow at the engine connection or 35 gal/hr.
> I have done many ground acceleration checks at full power. The engine
> accelerate fast and pull very hard with no hesitation at all.
> I know that the recommendation for a free flow check is of 125% of
> maximum flow. I wonder if I should use an electric fuel pump to achieve
> this number or redo the piping.
> I should get my final inspection done soon and I dont think that 133
> L/hr will be accepted even if the engine is running fine with the actual
> hardware.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Sylvain April
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 23:57:23 -0700
> > From: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
> > To: m14pengines-list-digest(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list-digest(at)matronics.com)
> > Subject: M14PEngines-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 04/09/11
> >
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> of the
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> > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes
> > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version
> > of the M14PEngines-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
> editor
> > such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
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>s
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 07:01 AM - Free Fuel Flow (Sylvain April)
> > 2. 10:22 AM - M462 (George Coy)
> > 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (George Coy)
> > 4. 02:18 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> > 5. 02:46 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (William Halverson)
> > 6. 03:34 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> > 7. 04:07 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
> > 8. 04:41 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (A. Dennis Savarese)
> > 9. 08:14 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (Steve Culp)
> > 10. 08:50 PM - Re: Free Fuel Flow (n801bh(at)netzero.com (n801bh(at)netzero.com))
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:01:20 AM PST US
> > From: Sylvain April <sapril001(at)hotmail.com (sapril001(at)hotmail.com)>
> > Subject: Free Fuel Flow
> >
> >
> > Hi all=2C
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
> engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection. (
> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
> power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:22:21 AM PST US
> > From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> > Subject: M462
> >
> > I have a friend with an M462 engine available for around $10K or best
> offer.
> > It is a 1991 overhaul and still in the original packing form the
> overhaul.
> > Includes accessories.
> >
> > A M462 is 320 hp upgraded version of the AI14 engine. It has a
> > splined propeller shaft.
> >
> >
> > George Coy
> >
> > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
> >
> > 802-868-4465 Fax
> >
> > george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
> >
> > http://coyafct.com/
> >
> > SKYPE george.coy
> >
> >
> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> > April
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Free Fuel Flow
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
> engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection. (
> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
> power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US
> > From: "George Coy" <george(at)gesoco.com (george(at)gesoco.com)>
> > Subject: RE: Free Fuel Flow
> >
> > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> >
> >
> > George Coy
> >
> > CAS Ltd.
> >
> > 714 Airport Rd.
> >
> > Swanton VT 05488
> >
> > 802-868-5633 off
> >
> > 802-363-5782 cell
> >
> > 802-868-4465 Fax
> >
> > george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)
> >
> > http://coyafct.com/
> >
> > SKYPE george.coy
> >
> >
> > From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Sylvain
> > April
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Free Fuel Flow
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
> engine.
> >
> > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection. (
> > Fuel Pump Inlet )
> >
> > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take off
> power.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sylvain April
> > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:18:51 PM PST US
> > From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net (dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net)>
> > Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
> >
> > Regarding the M14 fuel consumption: See attached.
> > Dennis
> >
> > On 4/9/2011 12:16 PM, George Coy wrote:
> > > You can use AN-6 or -8 hose and fittings.
> > >
> > > George Coy
> > >
> > > CAS Ltd.
> > >
> > > 714 Airport Rd.
> > >
> > > Swanton VT 05488
> > >
> > > 802-868-5633 off
> > >
> > > 802-363-5782 cell
> > >
> > > 802-868-4465 Fax
> > >
> > > george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com) <mailto:george.coy(at)gmail.com (george.coy(at)gmail.com)>
> > >
> > > http://coyafct.com/
> > >
> > > SKYPE george.coy
> > >
> > > *From:*owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)
> > > [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com)] *On Behalf Of
> > > *Sylvain April
> > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:58 AM
> > > *To:* m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com (m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com)
> > > *Subject:* Free Fuel Flow
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have this question about the fuel flow needed for the M-14P 360HP
> engine.
> > >
> > > What should be the free fuel flow value needed at the engine
> connection.
> > > ( Fuel Pump Inlet )
> > >
> > > What is the maximum fuel consumption of the M-14P engine at take
> off power.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Sylvain April
> > > Murphy Moose C-GFFO
> > >
> > > * *
> > >
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> > Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
> > From: "William Halverson" <william(at)netpros.net (william(at)netpros.net)>
> > Subject: Re: Free Fuel Flow
> >
> >
> >
> > Is fuel consumption linear? I ask because I have a 400HP M14PF ..
> have not ever
> > seen a chart for that engine ...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > William Halverson
> > N355YK
> > YAK-55
> >
> >
> > +--
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