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bakerocb
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 Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:39 pm Post subject: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation |
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3/7/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote:
1) "Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... "
Dropping the wing is a pretty significant effort, but there are some things
to consider that can make it much easier.
A) Be prepared to / plan to support the fuselage elsewhere and remove the
main landing gear. It is possible to remove and replace the wing with the
main landing gear in place (other people tell me), but every time that I
have done it I have found that wing removal and replacement went much better
with the main landing gear removed.
B) Have plenty of muscle / help available. Ideally 6 people -- two at each
end of the wing and (for installation) one on each side of the fuselage.
Have mobile cradles available for both the wing and fuselage if possible.
C) For reinstallation have a long tapered punch / line up tool and a flash
light and mirror available to assist in lining up the holes / bushings for
the main spar mounting bolts to go through.
D) Make provisions to drain / pump all of the fuel from the wing tanks and
properly store or give away that fuel prior to wing removal.
2) "Will take some pictures tomorrow."
Looking forward to seeing the pictures -- could you also copy me direct on
that email?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING
| Quote: | Hi Graham,
After working through the builder's manual over the weekend I arrived at
the same conclusion.
Rich did of course spot that in the first instance and said that repairing
the rear spar bushing would not be difficult. So I'm not too worried as we
also did not notice anything amiss there during the first inspection. I
shall surely take a closer look at that particular area tomorrow.
Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... Scott's advice to avoid
dropping the wing is sound, but I need to be sure about the spar after the
unusual loading from the top it got from the Cessna's tail section. By
doing it myself I'll learn quite a bit about the plane. Besides, it will
save me a bit on the repair and the repaint of the wing (and perhaps even
reduce hangar fees if I reduce the area occupied for the time being  ).
Will take some pictures tomorrow.
Regards,
Alfred
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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation |
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Here's a picture of the rig I built to install and remove my wing. I removed and installed the wing by myself dozens of times. The final iteration had the 2x4s vertical instead of angled (originally I made to remove the wing with the tail down). I also had temper foam where the wing rested in the cradle. It's on wheels which makes the wing easy to move around.
Scott
--- On Mon, 3/7/11, bakerocb(at)cox.net <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
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From: bakerocb(at)cox.net <bakerocb(at)cox.net>
Subject: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation
To: "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>, bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com
Date: Monday, March 7, 2011, 12:36 PM
--> KIS-List message posted by: <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)>
3/7/2011
Hello Alfred, You wrote:
1) "Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow .. "
Dropping the wing is a pretty significant effort, but there are some things
to consider that can make it much easier.
A) Be prepared to / plan to support the fuselage elsewhere and remove the
main landing gear. It is possible to remove and replace the wing with the
main landing gear in place (other people tell me), but every time that I
have done it I have found that wing removal and replacement went much better
with the main landing gear removed.
B) Have plenty of muscle / help available. Ideally 6 people -- two at each
end of the wing and (for installation) one on each side of the fuselage.
Have mobile cradles available for both the wing and fuselage if possible.
C) For reinstallation have a long tapered punch / line up tool and a flash
light and mirror available to assist in lining up the holes / bushings for
the main spar mounting bolts to go through.
D) Make provisions to drain / pump all of the fuel from the wing tanks and
properly store or give away that fuel prior to wing removal.
2) "Will take some pictures tomorrow."
Looking forward to seeing the pictures -- could you also copy me direct on
that email?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: PORT SIDE FAIRING
| Quote: | Hi Graham,
After working through the builder's manual over the weekend I arrived at
the same conclusion.
Rich did of course spot that in the first instance and said that repairing
the rear spar bushing would not be difficult. So I'm not too worried as we
also did not notice anything amiss there during the first inspection. I
shall surely take a closer look at that particular area tomorrow.
Perhaps I'll even drop the wing tomorrow ... Scott's advice to avoid
dropping the wing is sound, but I need to be sure about the spar after the
unusual loading from the top it got from the Cessna's tail section. By
doing it myself I'll learn quite a bit about the plane. Besides, it will
save me a bit on the repair and the repaint of the wing (and perhaps even
reduce hangar fees if I reduce the area occupied for the time being ).
Will take some pictures tomorrow.
Regards,
Alfred
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:42 pm Post subject: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation |
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3/9/2011
Hello Scott, Thanks for the pictures.
Your picture of the wing being held up by a jack setting on a structure made
of particle board, 2 X 4's, and drywall screws reminded me of a thought that
went through my mind a few times while building my KIS TR-1 and the various
temporary jigs that I constructed with plywood (much of it from the original
KIS delivery crate), 2 X 4's, and drywalls screws:
"If you give me enough plywood, 2 X 4's, and drywall screws I bet I could
build an Empire State Building." It might not be very usable, but it would
be up there.
OC
PS: For those quick to scoff I refer them to the photos of bamboo
scaffolding used in Hong Kong. See here:
http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/8/view/6888/hong-kong-bamboo-scaffolding.html
I marveled at this technique when I visited there back in the early 1960's.
They were using a type of grass or rattan to fasten the joints -- don't know
if they still do that.
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From: "Scott Stearns" <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation
Here's a picture of the rig I built to install and remove my wing. I removed
and installed the wing by myself dozens of times. The final iteration had
the 2x4s vertical instead of angled (originally I made to remove the wing
with the tail down). I also had temper foam where the wing rested in the
cradle. It's on wheels which makes the wing easy to move around.
Scott
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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:23 pm Post subject: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation |
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Hi OC,
I've seen the bamboo scaffolding in China when I was there with Mark 10 years ago. 30 story buildings with bamboo scaffolding tied together with some kind of a twine. Not a nail or screw in it.
The box with the jack had a base of 4x4s and was quite solid.
Scott
--- On Wed, 3/9/11, bakerocb(at)cox.net <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
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From: bakerocb(at)cox.net <bakerocb(at)cox.net>
Subject: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com, sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 3:39 PM
--> KIS-List message posted by: <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)>
3/9/2011
Hello Scott, Thanks for the pictures.
Your picture of the wing being held up by a jack setting on a structure made of particle board, 2 X 4's, and drywall screws reminded me of a thought that went through my mind a few times while building my KIS TR-1 and the various temporary jigs that I constructed with plywood (much of it from the original KIS delivery crate), 2 X 4's, and drywalls screws:
"If you give me enough plywood, 2 X 4's, and drywall screws I bet I could build an Empire State Building." It might not be very usable, but it would be up there.
OC
PS: For those quick to scoff I refer them to the photos of bamboo scaffolding used in Hong Kong. See here:
http://www.designboom.com/weblog/cat/8/view/6888/hong-kong-bamboo-scaffolding.html
I marveled at this technique when I visited there back in the early 1960's. They were using a type of grass or rattan to fasten the joints -- don't know if they still do that.
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From: "Scott Stearns" <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com (sstearns2(at)yahoo.com)>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: KIS TR-1 Wing Removal and Installation
Here's a picture of the rig I built to install and remove my wing. I removed and installed the wing by myself dozens of times. The final iteration had the 2x4s vertical instead of angled (originally I made to remove the wing with the tail down). I also had temper foam where the wing rested in the cradle. It's on wheels which makes the wing easy to move around.
Scott
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