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Especially when they make a comment like:
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net (wschertz(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
[quote] I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed (robertr237(at)att.net)
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) ― A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile south of [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]Denton[/url] Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from that [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]airport[/url].
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]power[/url] in the wind and plummeted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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I wouldn't blame the trooper. The newspaper reporter could have done 5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person standing next to them.
Scott
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Especially when they make a comment like:
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net (wschertz(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed (robertr237(at)att.net)
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) ― A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile south of [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]Denton[/url] Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from that [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]airport[/url].
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]power[/url] in the wind and plummeted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
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I did not know mr Culp but my sincer condolances go out to him and his family.. I read that his wif passed away at the hospital afterwords but cannot confirm this.
Rich
Yep that is our news service today
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From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com>
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I wouldn't blame the trooper. The newspaper reporter could have done 5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person standing next to them.
Scott
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From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:51 PM
Especially when they make a comment like:
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) ― A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile south of [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]Denton[/url] Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from that [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]airport[/url].
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]power[/url] in the wind and plummeted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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True. Imagine that, a reporter in the US sacrificing accuracy for sensationalism.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com (sstearns2(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] I wouldn't blame the trooper. The newspaper reporter could have done 5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person standing next to them.
Scott
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From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)>
Subject: Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:51 PM
Especially when they make a comment like:
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net> wrote:
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I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) ― A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile south of [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]Denton[/url] Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from that [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]airport[/url].
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]power[/url] in the wind and plummeted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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I long ago gave up on expectations of accuracy from our so called "news" media. They are not in the business to report the facts but are strictly in the entertainment business and clearly "entertainment" takes many forms. I was however very disappointed in the Highway Patrolman who was interviewed and demonstrated his ignorance of the subject without hesitation. When a trooper makes such statements they should be based on facts which was clearly not the case.
What always infuriates me about the media coverage of aircraft accidents is how they make even the smallest accident into a major event. In this case, they made the initial reports as "breaking" news that interrupted another program to report. It was the lead story on the 10PM news as well. While I will not diminish the importance of this event to those of us in the flying community and especially to fellow builders of this aircraft, it was no more of a major story than other fatal accidents over the last 48 hours. It was however the only one that they reported with such sensationalism. The same sensational reports have been issued even when the results have been nothing more than a bent landing gear and damaged prop.
We in the flying and especially the homebuilding community need to try and help put this in perspective before we see our privileges of flying taken from us in order to protect us.
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Bob
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True. Imagine that, a reporter in the US sacrificing accuracy for sensationalism.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com (sstearns2(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
[quote] I wouldn't blame the trooper. The newspaper reporter could have done 5 minutes worth of internet research, but instead just quoted the person standing next to them.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 12:51 PM
Especially when they make a comment like:
A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash. "Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
As if being a trooper qualifies him to make a statement like that.
Our prayers go out to the pilot and passenger.
Galin
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net> wrote:
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I believe John Davis had installed a Subaru engine in his plane. Hadn't heard that he sold it, but must have.
Sad, hate to see these things happen.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase I testing
From: Robert Reed
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:21 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
Reported on the news tonight in Dallas: An Experimental Aircraft - TR-4 manufactured by John Davis in 2006 Tail number N767GW crashed near Denton Texas. Two passengers on board were taken to Parkland Hospital in Dallas for treatment of injuries. No additional information on who was flying or on-board. The plane was totally destroyed by fire with only the tail section appearing to be in tact.
From what I have been able to learn the plane was registered Harold Culp in Carrollton Texas. I didn't even know there was a KIS TR-4 in the area.
KTVT / KTXA">
I will update as more information becomes available but in the mean time please keep the pilot and passenger in your prayers.
Bob Reed
DENTON (CBS 11 / TXA 21) ― A two seat aircraft failed to gain enough altitude and crashed about a mile south of [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]Denton[/url] Municipal Airport around 7:15 p.m. Sunday. A husband and wife were on board and transported by a CareFlite helicopter to Parkland Hospital with severe burns.
John Cabrales, City of Denton spokesman, called the plane an "experimental two-seat aircraft" and confirmed that it took flight at about 7:12 p.m. from that [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]airport[/url].
The plane was cleared for take-off by the airport's control tower, but could not gain altitude fast enough. It lost [url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=main,tlist&ver=UDnDH3lvSFE.en.&am=!L9LcuAB3v6axhfwb0PImgM6L3ZyN_zvwhw5Y2a3AV6D35l1WYk8&fri#129ec0fe11ebb2ad_]power[/url] in the wind and plummeted to the ground.
At about 8:30 p.m., officers had sectioned off about a 50 yard section of the field where the plane went down. In the middle of the area was the demolished aircraft, which burst into flames during the crash. Debris from the plane was scattered across the sectioned off area in all directions.
Investigators from the Federal Aviation Agency will look into what caused the crash. A Department of Public Safety trooper said the type of aircraft it was may have increased the risk of a crash.
"Whenever someone makes an aircraft - maybe it's called a kit plane - they put it together themselves and then it's labeled experimental," trooper Lonny Haschel said. "That may have been what we are dealing with."
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The statement fails to recognice that the construction by a home builder is usually superior then that by an assembly line worker since the builder has a vested interest in making things perfect. Guess you can't expect a trouper to understand that subtle fact. You can check the registration on: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N767GW
Unfortunately, it does not say what engine. If it was a Subaru, the description sounds a little like the limp home mode feature that got my plane also got them. Everyone with a Subaru engine should have the ECU modified so it can never enter the limp home mode. Sorry to read about it. My heart goes out to those folks and their families. Larry
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That plane did have a subaru engine.
Builder John Davis passed away a while back too (not sure if he sold before or if the plane was sold after his death).
I believe it (originally) had an electric prop governor that failed at least once resulting in flat pitch and nearly zero power, but I believe that was caused by an early wiring defect. That or limp home mode on the subaru ecu would have caused problems. It will be interesting to see what if anything the FAA/NTSB is able to determine as cause.
Sad to hear of the loss of life and injury. It sure seems like there was the opportunity to have a successful off field landing here. Too bad that didn't happen.
...Jason
On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:58 PM, "Larry David" <lgdavid(at)roadrunner.com (lgdavid(at)roadrunner.com)> wrote:
[quote] The statement fails to recognice that the construction by a home builder is usually superior then that by an assembly line worker since the builder has a vested interest in making things perfect. Guess you can't expect a trouper to understand that subtle fact. You can check the registration on: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N767GW
Unfortunately, it does not say what engine. If it was a Subaru, the description sounds a little like the limp home mode feature that got my plane also got them. Everyone with a Subaru engine should have the ECU modified so it can never enter the limp home mode. Sorry to read about it. My heart goes out to those folks and their families. Larry
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
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Hi Larry & All
It seems to me that I remember John Petrie having trouble with Subaru. If someone makes a control unit for alternative engines in airplanes it would seem to be worth looking into. We are all tied together in this matter because of insurance. Avemco would not insure my Cruiser because of the poor track record of Kis planes. Lucky for all of us that EAA has put together a plan with Falcon Ins. Mine is through them with Global.
Bob Anderson
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Subject: Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:58 PM
The statement fails to recognice that the construction by a home builder is usually superior then that by an assembly line worker since the builder has a vested interest in making things perfect. Guess you can't expect a trouper to understand that subtle fact. You can check the registration on: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N767GW
Unfortunately, it does not say what engine. If it was a Subaru, the description sounds a little like the limp home mode feature that got my plane also got them. Everyone with a Subaru engine should have the ECU modified so it can never enter the limp home mode. Sorry to read about it. My heart goes out to those folks and their families. Larry
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down |
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From the RV website... "the best auto conversion is to convert $10,000 into a good used lycoming".
--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: Robert Anderson <kcruiser1947(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 7:07 PM
Hi Larry & All
It seems to me that I remember John Petrie having trouble with Subaru. If someone makes a control unit for alternative engines in airplanes it would seem to be worth looking into. We are all tied together in this matter because of insurance. Avemco would not insure my Cruiser because of the poor track record of Kis planes. Lucky for all of us that EAA has put together a plan with Falcon Ins. Mine is through them with Global.
Bob Anderson
Cruiser N949Y
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From: Larry David <lgdavid(at)roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: Sad Report: Another TR-4 Down
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:58 PM
The statement fails to recognice that the construction by a home builder is usually superior then that by an assembly line worker since the builder has a vested interest in making things perfect. Guess you can't expect a trouper to understand that subtle fact. You can check the registration on: http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=N767GW
Unfortunately, it does not say what engine. If it was a Subaru, the description sounds a little like the limp home mode feature that got my plane also got them. Everyone with a Subaru engine should have the ECU modified so it can never enter the limp home mode. Sorry to read about it. My heart goes out to those folks and their families. Larry
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After my crash, I wrote an article for Contact Magazine explaining the ECU and limp home problem. Someone else responded with an article explaining how to solve the ECU problem. If the ECU thinks it is in neutral or park and the engine RPMs go high, it puts you in limp home. The solution is to ground two pins on the ECU. The pin that is used for sensing neutral and the pin that is used for sensing park. (Maybe it was pins 9 and 12, I'm not sure.) But the solution is so simple when you think about it. If there are any other subaru's out there with the original ECU, let me know and I will dig out the issue and send it to you. Don't want to see any more accidents due to this problem. (Incidentally, Eggenfelner has a different but effective solution.) Larry
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