Matt Dralle
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 Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! |
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Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
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Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the system without the PB.
Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol
Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were made before the modification was put in place.
I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>
>
> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> unless you miss wire something... 
>
> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a
> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
> examples:
>
> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>
> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>
> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
> negotiation.
>
> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream, so
> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>
> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>
> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to
> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly
> Phatbox could.
>
> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... 
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> modification
> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> working:
> >> >
> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> it's
> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate
> >> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect
> >> >> a
> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
> on
> >> the
> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> >> for
> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Regards,
> >> >> > >> Mike"
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> some
> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> coding
> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> interpolate a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > http://www.m
> >> >> > > atroni
> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> >> when:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> connect a
> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
> I
> >> have
> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > > y conn
> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> unit.
> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> >> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> signal
> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> > > Mike"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > <
> >> >> > > BR>>
> >> >> > >;
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >==================================================================
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> there,
> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> Phatbox
> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone out there
> >> >> with
> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> >> need*
> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> The
> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> >> you n
> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> >> little
> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >>
> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> different.
> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >> &g
> >> >> t;
> >> >>
> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >>
> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >>
> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >>
> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> >> work
> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> >> igurat
> >> >> ions.
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> the
> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >>
> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Mike"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >>
> >> >> &
> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >>
> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> From: Matt
> >> >> Drall
> >> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >>
> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> >> need*
> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> The
> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> >> little
> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >>
> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.m
> >> >> atroni
> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> >> 4000x/
> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >>
> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> different.
> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >>
> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >>
> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> y conn
> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >>
> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> >> work
> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >>
> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> the
> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >>
> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> sho
> >> >> uld th
> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Mike"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> BR
> >> >> ;
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ==================================================================
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> &g
> >> >> t;
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> themodification
> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me
> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
> >> >
> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
> job
> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
> the
> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> because
> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if
> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly
> >> connected to the head unit?
> >> >
> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> >> it's
> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> > he Son
> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > Wha
> >> > t Matt
> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> > from M
> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> >> > a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> > have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> >
> >> > &g
> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> >> > to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> > e | Ma
> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> > suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> > 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> >
> >> > &
> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> > coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> > numbe
> >> >rs and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Fo
> >> > r refe
> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > &
> >> > gt; &g
> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> > 94551
> >> >
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> there,
> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> > pl
> >> > ugged
> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> Phatbox
> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> > s inst
> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there
> >> > with
> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are
> >> > for re
> >> >ference only and you might find
> >> > you n
> >> > eed to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >&
> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device conf
> >> > igurat
> >> > ions.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays
> >> > high
> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> >> > ommuni
> >> >cates with the Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >
> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> > From: Matt
> >> > Drall
> >> > e dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >
> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> >> <
> >> > BR>>
> >> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> > The
> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >
> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >
> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.m
> >> > atroni
> >> > cs.com/xdp
> >> > 4000x/
> >> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >
> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >
> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >> >
> >> > Matt Drall
> >> > e
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >
> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >
> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > y conn
> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >
> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> > work
> >> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >
> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> >> > t is a
> >> >n input. It is used for
> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> > the
> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >
> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> > sho
> >> > uld th
> >> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Mike"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BR
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> > ;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > g
> >> > t;
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > matron
> >> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >
> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> could be the problem, huh?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Do you have an XA-C30 multi
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Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
| Quote: |
Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
down and never letting anyone else init.
Matt
At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>
>Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it
split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>
>Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
C90 only sees the PB.
>
>Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
system without the PB.
>
>Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
is...lol
>
>Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
were made before the modification was put in place.
>
>I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
Ahhhh!
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle
>
>>
>>
>> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
>> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
>> unless you miss wire something...
>>
>> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
on
>> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
a
>> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
some
>> examples:
>>
>> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
>> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
>> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
>> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>>
>> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
>> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
>> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
>> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
>> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>>
>> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
powered
>> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
>> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
>> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
address
>> negotiation.
>>
>> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
The
>> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
>> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
connectivity
>> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
>> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
so
>> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>>
>> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
Changer
>> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
into
>> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>>
>> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
>> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
wanted
>> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
to
>> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
>> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
>> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
>> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
>> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
surly
>> Phatbox could.
>>
>> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
my
>> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
>> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
did
>> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >
>> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
>> could be the problem, huh?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
plugging
>> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
Phatbox
>> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
I
>> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
>> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> modification
>> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> >> working:
>> >> >
>> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
>> job
>> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
>> the
>> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
>> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> >> directly connected to the head unit?
>> >> >
>> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
>> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> whenever
>> >> it's
>> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
>> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
>> some
>> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
>> >> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
>> color
>> >> >> coding
>> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> interpolate
>> >> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
>> >> using
>> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
>> >> when:
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> >> connect
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
>> I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
seen
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> unit.
>> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
>> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
>> >> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
>> >> for
>> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
>> >> signal
>> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> >> listen
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> >> > >> Mike"
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
>> some
>> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
>> >> >> coding
>> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> interpolate a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > http://www.m
>> >> >> > > atroni
>> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
back
>> >> when:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> >> connect a
>> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires.
>> I
>> >> have
>> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> > > y conn
>> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
>> unit.
>> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
multi-device
>> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
>> >> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
>> for
>> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> >> signal
>> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Regards,
>> >> >> > > Mike"
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > <
>> >> >> > > BR>>
>> >> >> > >;
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > >==================================================================
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
>> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> there,
>> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
>> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
the
>> >> Phatbox
>> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone out there
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> >> >> need*
>> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> >> you n
>> >> >> eed to interpolate a
>> >> >> little
>> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> different.
>> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >> &g
>> >> >> t;
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
>> a
>> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> >> work
>> >> >> with any multi-device conf
>> >> >> igurat
>> >> >> ions.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
>> to
>> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >>
>> >> >> &
>> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
>> to
>> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> From: Matt
>> >> >> Drall
>> >> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> >> >> need*
>> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> >> little
>> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.m
>> >> >> atroni
>> >> >> cs.com/xdp
>> >> >> 4000x/
>> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> different.
>> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
>> a
>> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> y conn
>> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> >> work
>> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> sho
>> >> >> uld th
>> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BR
>> >> >> ;
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ==================================================================
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> &g
>> >> >> t;
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
the
>> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> themodification
>> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
for
>> me
>> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> working:
>> >> >
>> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
the
>> job
>> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
in
>> the
>> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> because
>> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
sure
>> if
>> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> directly
>> >> connected to the head unit?
>> >> >
>> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
>> >> it's
>> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
the
>> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> >> > he Son
>> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> >>
>> >> > ;
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > Wha
>> >> > t Matt
>> >> > Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message
>> >> > from M
>> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
>> >> > a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> > work
>> >> >
>> >> > &g
>> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
>> >> > to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Drall
>> >> > e | Ma
>> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> > suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> > 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> >> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> >
>> >> > &
>> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> > coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin
>> >> > numbe
>> >> >rs and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.m
>> >> > atroni
>> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Fo
>> >> > r refe
>> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >
>> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > y conn
>> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> > work
>> >> > &
>> >> > gt; &g
>> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > BR
>> >> > ;
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> >> > 94551
>> >> >
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ==================================================================
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
is
>> >> there,
>> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
>> >> > pl
>> >> > ugged
>> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> >> Phatbox
>> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >
>> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> >> > s inst
>> >> >ead of 4.7k since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone out there
>> >> > with
>> >> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >
>> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > links are
>> >> > for re
>> >> >ference only and you might find
>> >> > you n
>> >> > eed to interpolate a
>> >> > little
>> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >
>> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> > g
>> >> > t;
>> >> >
>> >> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
>> >> >&
>> >> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
>> The
>> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
>> a
>> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >
>> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >
>> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> >> > work
>> >> > with any multi-device conf
>> >> > igurat
>> >> > ions.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> >> > stays
>> >> > high
>> >> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> >> > the
>> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >
>> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
>> to
>> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring P
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! |
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Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
| Quote: |
Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer (and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
>
>
> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that line
> down and never letting anyone else init.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short
> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it
> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
> >
> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB
> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear,
> C90 only sees the PB.
> >
> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the
> system without the PB.
> >
> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down
> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem
> is...lol
> >
> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to
> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it
> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that
> were made before the modification was put in place.
> >
> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
> Ahhhh!
> >
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
> >> unless you miss wire something...
> >>
> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave
> on
> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has
> a
> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
> some
> >> examples:
> >>
> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
> >>
> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
> >>
> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
> powered
> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
> address
> >> negotiation.
> >>
> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
> The
> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
> connectivity
> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream,
> so
> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
> >>
> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
> Changer
> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
> into
> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
> >>
> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
> wanted
> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while
> to
> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
> surly
> >> Phatbox could.
> >>
> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on
> my
> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I
> did
> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
> >> >
> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
> >> could be the problem, huh?
> >> >
> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
> plugging
> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
> Phatbox
> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but
> I
> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...
> >> >>
> >> >> Matt
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
> >> modification
> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> >> working:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> >> job
> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> >> the
> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> >> whenever
> >> >> it's
> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> willing
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> >> some
> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
> you
> >> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> >> color
> >> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> interpolate
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
> are
> >> >> using
> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> >> >> when:
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> >> connect
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> >> I
> >> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
> seen
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> >> unit.
> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> >> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> >> >> for
> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
> the
> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
> knowing
> >> when
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
> The
> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> >> listen
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
> as
> >> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
> in
> >> my
> >> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> >> willing
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
> >> some
> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> >> *will
> >> >> >> > need*
> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
> color
> >> >> >> coding
> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
> you
> >> >> have.
> >> >> >> > The
> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
> >> interpolate a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
> >> >> >> > > atroni
> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
> little
> >> >> >> > different.
> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> >> using
> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
> back
> >> >> when:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
> The
> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> >> >> connect a
> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
> wires.
> >> I
> >> >> have
> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> > > y conn
> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
> >> unit.
> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
> multi-device
> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
> cable
> >> >> will
> >> >> >> > work
> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
> used
> >> for
> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> >> >> signal
> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> >> when
> >> >> is
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> >> listen
> >> >> to
> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
> C90.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Regards,
> >> >> >> > > Mike"
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > <
> >> >> >> > > BR>>
> >> >> >> > >;
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >>
> >> >> >> > >==================================================================
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
> reset
> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> there,
> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
> the
> >> >> Phatbox
> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Anyone out there
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> >> need*
> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> >> >> you n
> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> &g
> >> >> >> t;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> have
> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> >> >> igurat
> >> >> >> ions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Mike"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> &
> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
> 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
> willing
> >> to
> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> >> someone
> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >> From: Matt
> >> >> >> Drall
> >> >> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> >> need*
> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> >> have.
> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> >> little
> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.m
> >> >> >> atroni
> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> >> >> 4000x/
> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> >> different.
> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> >> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> >> PhatManager).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> have
> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> >> y conn
> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
> when
> >> is
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> >> PhatBox
> >> >> >> sho
> >> >> >> uld th
> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> >> Mike"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> BR
> >> >> >> ;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ==================================================================
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> &g
> >> >> >> t;
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is
> the
> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
> >> themodification
> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit
> for
> >> me
> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> >> working:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
> the
> >> job
> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that
> in
> >> the
> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
> >> because
> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not
> sure
> >> if
> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> >> directly
> >> >> connected to the head unit?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
> whenever
> >> >> it's
> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
> the
> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> >> >> > he Son
> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> I'm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wha
> >> >> > t Matt
> >> >> > Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
> >> >> > from M
> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &g
> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Drall
> >> >> > e | Ma
> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> > suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> > 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> >> >> since
> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
> someone
> >> >> >
> >> >> > &
> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
> >> I'm
> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> >> > need*
> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> >> > coding
> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> >> > The
> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> >> > little
> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
> >> >> > numbe
> >> >> >rs and what not:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.m
> >> >> > atroni
> >> >> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> >> > different.
> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Fo
> >> >> > r refe
> >> >> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> have
> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> >> > y conn
> >> >> > ector. They can be seen on the
> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> >> > work
> >> >> > &
> >> >> > gt; &g
> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> > Mike"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > BR
> >> >> > ;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> >> >> > 94551
> >> >> >
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ==================================================================
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox
> is
> >> >> there,
> >> >> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> >> > pl
> >> >> > ugged
> >> >> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> >> >> Phatbox
> >> >> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Matt
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> >> suggested
> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
> my
> >> >> 4000x
> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> >> Phatbox.
> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> >> >> > s inst
> >> >> >ead of 4.7k since
> >> >> > there seemed to b
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Yes, I've thought about all that already, but here is the thing, I can't get any audio to be recognized by the 4000x through it's Analog Changer Inputs. The only reason I know it sounds bad is because I hooked a set of headphones up to the phatbox to test if any audio was present and when I listened it sounded horrible, (if not mono). I listened to the same exact mp3 file that was being played on the PB back inside on my computer through the same headset using the crappy non 24bit burr brown outputs of my laptop and it sounded 1000x more full and realistic, so that worries me. And the fact that I can't get any audio to play back when plugged into the analog changer inputs worries me even more, I really hope this thing didn't somehow damage my 4000x, there is no way I want to send it off to Sony and let them hack away at it like they did with my last C90 I sent them...
I have done a full reset from the C90 and still nothing. I'll test out my other equipment that I know was working beforehand tomorrow and then I'll know more, but that still doesn't change the issue with the terrible sound output of the PB.
------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
| Quote: |
Great news!
Couple of things come to mind with respect to your new audio woes. Digital vs
Analog input on the 4000x is only negotiated on reset (button on C90), so with
all the plugging around, make sure that you set things up like you want, then
press that reset button.
Second, the "tinny" sound might be because you've selected an unprogrammed
EQ/Xover setting on the 4000x. The default setting has some of the Xover
settings off or highly attenuated.
Plug your PC back into the 4000x and double check all of your EQ and XO memory
locations, and then make sure you select the right ones on the HU.
Almost there!
Matt
At 08:13 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>
>Ok, I went ahead and clipped the reset wire and now the PB actually works in my
system without shutting everything off! BUT... and this is a big but, my
processor is not accepting analog audio at the analog changer input any longer
(and it used to just fine)... I did test and there is audio at the outputs of
the PB, but it doesn't sound right at all, tinny and flat, no bass, dull highs.
>
>I threw my cd changer back in to see if my processor would accept analog audio
from that and the analog outputs of that piece are not working any longer
either... (I can't say for 100% that they worked before hand since I always used
the digital output of the changer, and never tested the analog outputs)
>
>I have yet to try my XM unit, which I know the analog outs used to work on
since those are the only outputs it has and I used it for about 6 months in my
system, but that will have to wait till daylight tomorrow since it's late and I
don't have the time to wire anything else in tonight.
>
>So I guess the good news is, the PB works now, well sorta. I'm partially
convinced that something is wrong with it's audio outputs because like I said
before it sounds really bad, and now I'm worried that something is broken inside
of my processor as well, but no need to jump to conclusions until I can check
everything out properly tomorrow. At least I made some progress...
>
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle
>
>>
>>
>> Cut the reset line on the cable. Sounds to me like the PB is holding that
line
>> down and never letting anyone else init.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 04:27 PM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources,
short
>> of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from
it
>> split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list
>> of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:
>> >
>> >Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers
>> up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30:
PB
>> powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the
PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
>> Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and
>> Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30,
>> XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM
>> Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
>> >XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of
>> XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both
disappear,
>> C90 only sees the PB.
>> >
>> >Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into
the
>> system without the PB.
>> >
>> >Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut
down
>> and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides
>> besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a
>> thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the
problem
>> is...lol
>> >
>> >Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system,
>> but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going
to
>> have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line
>> cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB
>> cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than
it
>> was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has
>> been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables
that
>> were made before the modification was put in place.
>> >
>> >I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished
>> all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been!
>> Ahhhh!
>> >
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
>> >> resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment.
Well,
>> >> unless you miss wire something...
>> >>
>> >> The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger
slave
>> on
>> >> the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB)
has
>> a
>> >> class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with
>> some
>> >> examples:
>> >>
>> >> CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
>> >> MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
>> >> Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
>> >> Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble
>> >>
>> >> On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for
each
>> >> device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with
"I'm
>> >> Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
>> >> particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
>> >> (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).
>> >>
>> >> An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is
>> powered
>> >> up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
>> >> device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a
protocol
>> >> sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus
>> address
>> >> negotiation.
>> >>
>> >> The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus.
>> The
>> >> closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
>> >> happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus
>> connectivity
>> >> to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU.
On
>> >> the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the
stream,
>> so
>> >> negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.
>> >>
>> >> The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD
>> Changer
>> >> class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged
>> into
>> >> the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.
>> >>
>> >> That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with
the
>> >> 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I
>> wanted
>> >> to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a
while
>> to
>> >> figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
>> >> addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written
an
>> >> embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
>> >> microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
>> >> compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it,
>> surly
>> >> Phatbox could.
>> >>
>> >> If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here
on
>> my
>> >> two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I
tried
>> >> using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time
I
>> did
>> >> not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>> >> >
>> >> >So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value
resistor
>> >> could be the problem, huh?
>> >> >
>> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am
>> plugging
>> >> >> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> >> >> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the
>> Phatbox
>> >> >> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point,
but
>> I
>> >> >> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you
a
>> >> >> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Matt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
>> the
>> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
>> >> modification
>> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
>> for
>> >> >> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not
>> >> >> working:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
>> the
>> >> job
>> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> >> because
>> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
>> sure
>> >> >> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work
when
>> >> >> directly connected to the head unit?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
>> reset
>> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> >> whenever
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
>> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down
when
>> the
>> >> >> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
>> as
>> >> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
>> in
>> >> my
>> >> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> >> willing
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
>> >> I'm
>> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
>> you
>> >> >> *will
>> >> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note
the
>> >> color
>> >> >> >> coding
>> >> >> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
>> you
>> >> >> have.
>> >> >> >> > The
>> >> >> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> >> interpolate
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> > little
>> >> >> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
>> little
>> >> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
>> are
>> >> >> using
>> >> >> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with
the
>> >> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
>> back
>> >> >> when:
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his
system.
>> The
>> >> >> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
>> >> >> connect
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
>> wires.
>> >> I
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be
>> seen
>> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
>> >> unit.
>> >> >> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
>> multi-device
>> >> >> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
>> cable
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It
is
>> used
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
>> the
>> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
>> knowing
>> >> when
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
>> The
>> >> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
>> >> >> listen
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using
the
>> C90.
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> > >> Mike"
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister
installed
>> as
>> >> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is
plugged
>> in
>> >> my
>> >> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with
the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead
of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> >> willing
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB
that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
>> >> I'm
>> >> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links
to
>> >> some
>> >> >> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that
you
>> >> *will
>> >> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
>> color
>> >> >> >> coding
>> >> >> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of
cable
>> you
>> >> >> have.
>> >> >> >> > The
>> >> >> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
>> >> interpolate a
>> >> >> >> > little
>> >> >> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > http://www.m
>> >> >> >> > > atroni
>> >> >> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
>> little
>> >> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you
are
>> >> using
>> >> >> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way
>> back
>> >> >> when:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
>> The
>> >> >> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want
to
>> >> >> connect a
>> >> >> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
>> wires.
>> >> I
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> >> > > y conn
>> >> >> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> >> > > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a
head
>> >> unit.
>> >> >> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple
>> multi-device
>> >> >> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
>> cable
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
>> used
>> >> for
>> >> >> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down
the
>> >> >> signal
>> >> >> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble
knowing
>> >> when
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown.
The
>> >> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you
should
>> >> listen
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
>> C90.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Regards,
>> >> >> >> > > Mike"
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > <
>> >> >> >> > > BR>>
>> >> >> >> > >;
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> >> >
>==================================================================
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
>> reset
>> >> >> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> there,
>> >> >> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> it's
>> >> >> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
>> >> >> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when
>> the
>> >> >> Phatbox
>> >> >> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with
the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyone out there
>> >> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> >> need*
>> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
>> >> coding
>> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> >> >> you n
>> >> >> >> eed to interpolate a
>> >> >> >> little
>> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
>> >> >> >> different.
>> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> &g
>> >> >> >> t;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
>> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
>> will
>> >> >> >> work
>> >> >> >> with any multi-device conf
>> >> >> >> igurat
>> >> >> >> ions.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
>> for
>> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> &
>> >> >> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed
as
>> >> >> suggested
>> >> >> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> 4000x
>> >> >> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
>> 4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
>> willing
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> >> someone
>> >> >> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >> From: Matt
>> >> >> >> Drall
>> >> >> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> >> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> >> need*
>> >> >> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
>> >> coding
>> >> >> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable
you
>> >> have.
>> >> >> >> The
>> >> >> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> >> little
>> >> >> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.m
>> >> >> >> atroni
>> >> >> >> cs.com/xdp
>> >> >> >> 4000x/
>> >> >> >> SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a
little
>> >> >> >> different.
>> >> >> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> >> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> >> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground)
wires. I
>> >> have
>> >> >> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> >> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> >> >> y conn
>> >> >> >> ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> >> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
>> >> >> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified
cable
>> will
>> >> >> >> work
>> >> >> >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is
used
>> for
>> >> >> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
>> when
>> >> is
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> >> PhatBox
>> >> >> >> sho
>> >> >> >> uld th
>> >> >> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> >> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the
C90.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >> >> Mike"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> BR
>> >> >> >> ;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ==================================================================
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> &g
>> >> >> >> t;
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This
is
>> the
>> >> >> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
>> >> themodification
>> >> >> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the
unit
>> for
>> >> me
>> >> >> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> >> working:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do
>> the
>> >> job
>> >> >> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was
that
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
>> >> because
>> >> >> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im
not
>> sure
>> >> if
>> >> >> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> >> directly
>> >> >> connected to the head unit?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system
reset
>> >> >> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the
Phatbox
>> is
>> >> >> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
>> whenever
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized
and
>> >> >> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when
>> the
>> >> >> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> >> >> > he Son
>> >> >> >y Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> >> > suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> > 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> >> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
>> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
>> I'm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > ;
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
>> >> >> > coding
>> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Wha
>> >> >> > t Matt
>> >> >> > Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> >> > different.
>> >> >> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> >> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> >> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For reference, here is a message
>> >> >> > from M
>> >> >> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> >> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> >> > have
>> >> >> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> >> > PhatBox connector.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
>> >> >> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> >> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> >> > work
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > &g
>> >> >> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> >> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> >> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> >> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Regards,
>> >> >> > Mike"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Matt G Drall
>> >> >> > e | Ma
>> >> >> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> >> > suggested
>> >> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged
in
>> my
>> >> >> > 4000x
>> >> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> >> Phatbox.
>> >> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of
4.7k
>> >> >> since
>> >> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
>> to
>> >> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
>> someone
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > &
>> >> >> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the
factory?
>> >> I'm
>> >> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> >> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> >> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> >> > need*
>> >> >> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
>> >> >> > coding
>> >> >> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
>> a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > with respect to colors and pin
>> >> >> > numbe
>> >> >> >rs and what not:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/
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At 02:50 PM 4/19/2006 Wednesday, you wrote:
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Well, it seems as if I maybe spoke too soon. My 4000x stops accepting audio from the PB as soon as the source is changed (i.e. whenever the Tuner or in dash CD is selected). As soon as I go back to the PB as a source, it comes up but analog audio will not be played back again unless a different source is plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x. I guess I'm going to have to try installing my XA-C30 after all, and see if this fixes the problem... And the frustration quickly returns. Grrr!
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Well, that's a bummer... For the record, on my installation I am using the C30's to switch the Unilink, but I've connected the Phatbox directly up to the Changer Analog inputs on the 4000x.
While this might not be related to your problem, I found that there is a huge problem with grounding loops between the PB and the 4000x/C90. I had hard mounted everything floor pan of my 1998 Chevy truck, and found that the squeal from the alternator unbearable. Finally, I mounted the PB to my backbone behind the rear seat (wood) with short screws so that it was isolated from the truck's chassis and the alternator wine went completely away. FYI.
Also, I found that the PB seems really sensitive to line level cable load especially when connected to the 4000x. Possibly because the 4000x has 4 volt line level inputs and the PB doesn't? Don't know about that for sure. In any case, I used super short (1 meter) top of the line Monster line level cables between the PB and the 4k and have had good success. There is still a slight attenuation on the bass from the PB, but its not bad. This is detected by playing a song from a CD using the Optic output CD Changer into the Optic input on the 4x vs. playing the same song through the PB to the 4k using the Analog inputs. There is definitely bass roll off with the PB.
Matt
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