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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!

Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears.I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

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Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system,
however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am
connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the
4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even
recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on
my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control
immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox
cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!
--------------

Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus
reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly
wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping
cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up.

Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not
having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice.

Matt Dralle


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

what is modded on your Phatbox

bobbybraun(at)comcast.net wrote:

Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!

Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system, however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears.I am connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the 4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

I did to a complete system reset as well as re-flash the firmware on the DMS cart after I encountered the problem, all to no avail.

The C90 controls the Phatbox perfectly, songs show up on the display, but the 4000x is non-existent when the PB is plugged in. The very second the Phatbox is unplugged the 4000x turns on and the rest of my system powers up as it should. To further explain, the DVol and VC Filter controls are available on the C90's display when the PB is plugged in, further showing that for some reason when the PB is plugged in my 4000x disappears.

My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink. This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who modded it for me, and hope for the best. =(

Any other ideas?!?

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Quote:


>--------------
>
>
>Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system,
>however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am
>connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the
>4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even
>recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on
>my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control
>immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox
>cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!
>--------------

Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus
reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly
wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping
cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up.

Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not
having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice.

Matt Dralle




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I did to a complete system reset as well as re-flash the firmware on the DMS cart after I encountered the problem, all to no avail.

The C90 controls the Phatbox perfectly, songs show up on the display, but the 4000x is non-existent when the PB is plugged in. The verysecond the Phatbox is unplugged the 4000x turns on and the rest of my system powers up as it should. To further explain, the DVol and VC Filter controls are available on the C90's displaywhen the PB is plugged in, further showing that for some reason when the PB is plugged in my 4000x disappears.

My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink. This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who modded it for me, and hope for the best. =(

Any other ideas?!?

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Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system,
however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am
connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the
4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even
recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on
my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control
immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox
cable. Anyone else have any i
deas? Please help!
--------------

Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus
reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly
wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping
cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up.

Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not
having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice.

Matt Dralle




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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

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My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink.
This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even
though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to
this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance
since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who
modded it for me, and hope for the best. =(

Any other ideas?!?

Well you could always try not mentioning that it is modified! LOL.

Also the cable sounds suspect to me as well, though I admittedly know very
little about using one of these since I've never actually installed/set one
up. But just from the fact that Matt seemed to allude to the fact that
there was a problem with the cabling in the past somehow (that the cables
have to have "bus-on" wired correctly?) that makes me think the cable too.
Though of course it might just be the unit itself, looks like you have to
rule the cable out first by swapping in another one or making certain it is
wired right...

Roland M.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Now I just have to find a cable that is known to work in conjunction with a Sony processor. I think I'm going to give Phatnoise a try tomorrow and see what they have to say, but from the sound of it they don't hand out (or sell) any of their cables very willingly... And to think I was so excited to give this thing a try and then this happens... what an exercise of patience... ugh! =(

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Quote:


>
>
>My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink.
>This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even
>though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to
>this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance
>since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who
>modded it for me, and hope for the best. =(
>
>Any other ideas?!?

Well you could always try not mentioning that it is modified! LOL.

Also the cable sounds suspect to me as well, though I admittedly know very
little about using one of these since I've never actually installed/set one
up. But just from the fact that Matt seemed to allude to the fact that
there was a problem with the cabling in the past somehow (that the cables
have to have "bus-on" wired correctly?) that makes me think the cable too.
Though of course it might just be the unit itself, looks like you have to
rule the cable out first by swapping in another one or making certain it is
wired right...

Roland M.




Now Ijust haveto find a cable that is known to work in conjunction with a Sonyprocessor. I think I'm going to give Phatnoise a try tomorrow and see what they have to say, but from the sound of it they don't hand out (or sell) any of their cables very willingly... And to think I was so excited to give this thinga try and then this happens... what an exercise of patience... ugh! =(

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My PB is originally a Volkswagen model modded to work with Sony Unilink.
This is the main reason why I suspect the cable, as it was hand made even
though the craftsmanship looks very sound. I don't know what to do up to
this point, as I doubt Phatnoise will be willing to offer any assistance
since my PB has been modified. Guess I'll try to contact the person who
modded it for me, and hope for the best. =(

Any other ideas?!?

Well you could always try not mentioning that it is modified! LOL.
&g
t;
Also the cable sounds suspect to me as well, though I admittedly know very
little about using one of these since I've never actually installed/set one
up. But just from the fact that Matt seemed to allude to the fact that
there was a problem with the cabling in the past somehow (that the cables
have to have "bus-on" wired correctly?) that makes me think the cable too.
Though of course it might just be the unit itself, looks like you have to
rule the cable out first by swapping in another one or making certain it is
wired right...

Roland M.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:01 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Well, I contacted Phatnoise about my problem and at first they said that since I'm using an external processer in my system they can't guarantee that the Phatbox will work with my system. After I clarified that I know that there are people who have had perfect success with using a Phatbox in a specific setup like mine I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way they'll offer any assistance.

So, is there anyone out there with a real Sony PB willing to snap a photo for me or maybe even purchase a cable from them and send to me and I'll Paypal the $$? I know it's alot to ask but I figure it's worth a try...

I did hear back from the person who put this all together for me, and he's willing to check the cable, but looking at how well he did the splice I don't know if this is any fault of his wiring aside from not knowing the correct way to do it. So I do still have this as an option, but I'm doubtful if it will even be worth the hassle.
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Quote:


>--------------
>
>
>Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system,
>however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am
>connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the
>4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even
>recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on
>my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control
>immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox
>cable. Anyone else have any ideas? Please help!
>--------------

Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus
reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly
wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping
cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up.

Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not
having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice.

Matt Dralle




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Well, I contacted Phatnoise about my problem and at first they said that since I'm using an external processer in my system they can't guarantee that the Phatbox will work with my system. After I clarified that I know that there are people who have had perfect success with using a Phatbox in a specific setup like mine I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way they'll offer any assistance.

So, is there anyone out there with a real Sony PBwilling to snap a photo for me or maybe even purchase a cable from themand send to me and I'll Paypal the $$? I know it's alotto ask but I figure it's worth a try...

I did hear back from the person who put this all together for me, and he's willing to checkthe cable, but looking at how well he did the splice I don't know if this is any fault of his wiring aside from not knowing the correct way to do it. So I do still have this as an option, but I'm doubtful if it will even be worth the hassle.
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Ok, I just received and connected my modified Phatbox to my system,
however upon connection it seems as if my 4000x disappears. I am
connecting it directly to the Unilink Changer Control input on the
4000x, and when doing so the phatbox powers up fine and is even
recognized by my C90, but my 4000x does not even turn on or power on
my system. Unplugging the phatbox from the unilink control
immediately powers on the 4000x, so I'm thinking I have a bad phatbox
cable. Anyone else have any i
deas? Please help!
--------------

Did you use the reset button on the C90 to do a complete system bus
reset? You might also need a cable that has the Bus-On correctly
wired. I can't remember for sure, but I thought they were shipping
cables that had this done now, but maybe they slipped up.

Congrats on your new Phatbox; you're gonna love it. I can't image not
having one (er, I mean two), now on my installations. Very nice.

Matt Dralle




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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

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I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of
ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my
Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine
isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way
they'll offer any assistance.


LOL! That's an awful lot of "security" for just trying to buy a cable. I
don't get why they would do that. I guess they have to "protect" their
overpriced and outdated products somehow, lol. Kenwood (who originally used
Phatnoise products for their Music Keg as we all know) and JVC are both
already making HUs with USB Mass-Storage control built in; meaning you can
just use a USB flash drive or an external HDD case (be it 1.8", 2.5" or
3.5") and connect it directly to the HU.

This of course doesn't help you trying to use your current setup but it's
only a matter of time before products like the Phatbox are largely
forgotten. Now it was never a bad product, I'm not saying that (in fact it
is pretty good for what it does) but for it's pricetag (unless you're
getting one of the refurb Music Kegs, etc which are okay priced) and because
of the fact that you can do the same thing without one now it's pretty much
over for it, lol.

Personally I don't really like the idea of making things proprietary, *just*
so you have to buy things from that company and for no other reason. And
I'm pretty sure no one else likes that either--it's no wonder that their
proprietary HDD format and other things about the box are being "hacked".
For example, if they were using some kind of special storage medium or HDD
type that would be fine, but we all know they're just using regular HDDs and
instead of letting people just use their own regular HDDs they use some
proprietary firmware BS so they can sell you a $100 drive for $400
:rolleyes: Someone hacks it and then they get mad because they can't gouge
people (as much) anymore.

I'm not sure what the max. capacity of the Kenwood and JVC units with the
USB feature is, but I'm sure even if it isn't large it won't be long before
features like that handle at least 200GB (if they can't already) and every
manufacturer starts to offer it. That'll teach Phatnoise a lesson, LOL.
I'm not really against Phatnoise and the Phatbox or anything... I'm sure it
works wonderfully and is an excellent product (as other list users including
Matt have noted). But just stupid tactics like this make me dislike their
business practices.

Really they should be trying to sell you that cable to get any money they
still can out of the Phatbox, LOL. I mean I'm surprised they don't try to
charge you $100 for the cable or something (but hey you didn't mention the
price yet haha)...

Well anyway I hope you can get that silly picture they're requesting, from
someone on the list... At least they aren't asking you to put your Driver's
License in the pic to confirm it's you and your phatbox or something, LOL!

Roland M.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Wow, I hear ya! And trust me, I know exactly what you're saying! =(
Here's a copy of the email they sent ot me in reply to my request;

Hello Bobby,

Please provide a digital photo of the bottom of the PhatBox and we will send a link to purchase a replacement cable. We cannot guarantee that the PhatBox will work through the unilink adapter.

Best regards,
PhatNoise Customer Support
As far as a cable price, I have no idea what they're asking, but at this point $100 doesn't seem that far out of line when comparing the pricing of their product line. And the really sad thing is, at this point after having spent all the money on the unit itself, I would even pay it if it would mean that I could finally use the thing! Yes, I hope someone out there can help me out here, but I also understand that there's a fine line between asking for a hand and then asking for too much, so we'll see...

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Quote:


>
>
>I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of
>ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my
>Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine
>isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way
>they'll offer any assistance.
>

LOL! That's an awful lot of "security" for just trying to buy a cable. I
don't get why they would do that. I guess they have to "protect" their
overpriced and outdated products somehow, lol. Kenwood (who originally used
Phatnoise products for their Music Keg as we all know) and JVC are both
already making HUs with USB Mass-Storage control built in; meaning you can
just use a USB flash drive or an external HDD case (be it 1.8", 2.5" or
3.5") and connect it directly to the HU.

This of course doesn't help you trying to use your current setup but it's
only a matter of time before products like the Phatbox are largely
forgotten. Now it was never a bad product, I'm not saying that (in fact it
is pretty good for what it does) but for it's pricetag (unless you're
getting one of the refurb Music Kegs, etc which are okay priced) and because
of the fact that you can do the same thing without one now it's pretty much
over for it, lol.

Personally I don't really like the idea of making things proprietary, *just*
so you have to buy things from that company and for no other reason. And
I'm pretty sure no one else likes that either--it's no wonder that their
proprietary HDD format and other things about the box are being "hacked".
For example, if they were using some kind of special storage medium or HDD
type that would be fine, but we all know they're just using regular HDDs and
instead of letting people just use their own regular HDDs they use some
proprietary firmware BS so they can sell you a $100 drive for $400
:rolleyes: Someone hacks it and then they get mad because they can't gouge
people (as much) anymore.

I'm not sure what the max. capacity of the Kenwood and JVC units with the
USB feature is, but I'm sure even if it isn't large it won't be long before
features like that handle at least 200GB (if they can't already) and every
manufacturer starts to offer it. That'll teach Phatnoise a lesson, LOL.
I'm not really against Phatnoise and the Phatbox or anything... I'm sure it
works wonderfully and is an excellent product (as other list users including
Matt have noted). But just stupid tactics like this make me dislike their
business practices.

Really they should be trying to sell you that cable to get any money they
still can out of the Phatbox, LOL. I mean I'm surprised they don't try to
charge you $100 for the cable or something (but hey you didn't mention the
price yet haha)...

Well anyway I hope you can get that silly picture they're requesting, from
someone on the list... At least they aren't asking you to put your Driver's
License in the pic to confirm it's you and your phatbox or something, LOL!

Roland M.




Wow, I hear ya!And trust me, I know exactly what you're saying! =(
Here's a copy of the email they sent ot me in reply to my request;
Hello Bobby,

Please provide a digital photo of the bottom of the PhatBox and we will send a link to purchase a replacement cable. We cannot guarantee that the PhatBox will work through the unilink adapter.


Best regards,

PhatNoise Customer Support


As far as a cable price, I have no idea what they're asking, but at this point $100 doesn't seem that far out of line when comparing the pricing of their product line. And the reallysad thing is, at this point after having spent all the money on the unit itself, I would even pay it if it would mean that I could finally use the thing! Yes, I hope someone out there can help me out here, but I also understand that there's a fine line between asking for a hand and then asking for too much, so we'll see...

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I was told they could replace the cable, but I have to show proof of
ownership. They want me to take a digital photo of the bottom of my
Phatbox and email it to them, which if I do that they'll realize that mine
isn't originally a Sony unit... Once they realize that there's no way
they'll offer any assistance.


LOL! That's an awful lot of "security" for just trying to buy a cable. I
don't get why they would do that. I guess they have to "protect" their
overpriced and outdated products somehow, lol. Kenwoo
d (who originally used
Phatnoise products for their Music Keg as we all know) and JVC are both
already making HUs with USB Mass-Storage control built in; meaning you can
just use a USB flash drive or an external HDD case (be it 1.8", 2.5" or
3.5") and connect it directly to the HU.

This of course doesn't help you trying to use your current setup but it's
only a matter of time before products like the Phatbox are largely
forgotten. Now it was never a bad product, I'm not saying that (in fact it
is pretty good for what it does) but for it's pricetag (unless you're
getting one of the refurb Music Kegs, etc which are okay priced) and because
of the fact that you can do the same thing without one now it's pretty much
over for it, lol.

Personally I don't really like the idea of making things proprietary, *just*
so you have to buy things from that c
ompany and for no other reason. And
I'm pretty sure no one else likes that either--it's no wonder that their
proprietary HDD format and other things about the box are being "hacked".
For example, if they were using some kind of special storage medium or HDD
type that would be fine, but we all know they're just using regular HDDs and
instead of letting people just use their own regular HDDs they use some
proprietary firmware BS so they can sell you a $100 drive for $400
:rolleyes: Someone hacks it and then they get mad because they can't gouge
people (as much) anymore.

I'm not sure what the max. capacity of the Kenwood and JVC units with the
USB feature is, but I'm sure even if it isn't large it won't be long before
features like that handle at least 200GB (if they can't already) and every
manufacturer starts to offer it. That'll teach Phatnoise a lesson, LOL.

I'm not really against Phatnoise and the Phatbox or anything... I'm sure it
works wonderfully and is an excellent product (as other list users including
Matt have noted). But just stupid tactics like this make me dislike their
business practices.

Really they should be trying to sell you that cable to get any money they
still can out of the Phatbox, LOL. I mean I'm surprised they don't try to
charge you $100 for the cable or something (but hey you didn't mention the
price yet haha)...

Well anyway I hope you can get that silly picture they're requesting, from
someone on the list... At least they aren't asking you to put your Driver's
License in the pic to confirm it's you and your phatbox or something, LOL!

Roland M.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:39 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need* the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different. Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x. Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle
For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit. Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Wow, thanks! This is exactly what I needed to get this working, (or so I hope) I'll keep ya posted.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Quote:



Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





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Wow, thanks! This is exactly what I needed to get this working, (or so I hope) I'll keep ya posted.

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Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on
the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:49 am    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

One thing that is confusing me Matt, you have a 4.7k ohm resistor as what to use between Bus-On and Gnd, where as Mike Woo quoted it as being a 10k ohm resistor. Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but which am I supposed to use, the 4.7k resistor or 10k, or is the difference between the two too insignificant to matter?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Quote:



Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





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One thing that is confusing me Matt, you have a 4.7k ohm resistor as what to use between Bus-On and Gnd, where as Mike Woo quoted it as being a 10k ohm resistor. Maybe I'm reading something wrong, but which am I supposed to use, the 4.7k resistor or 10k, or is the difference between the twotoo insignificant to matter?

-------------- Original message --------------
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-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on
the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Quote:



Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





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Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt
At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
Quote:


Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

>
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox. Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have. The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"

<
BR>&gt
;


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Quote:


Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>
>
>Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
>> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
>> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
>> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>>
>> What Matt Found on his cable:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
>> What Phatbox Said:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>>
>> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
>> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>>
>> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>>
>> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
>>
>> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> PhatBox connector.
>>
>> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
>> with any multi-device configurations.
>>
>> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
>> right time to initialize itself.
>>
>> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
>Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
>cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
>ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
> <
> BR>>
>;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>>
>==================================================================
>
>
>



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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle

&g
t;

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email

&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R> (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================






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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
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t; <BR


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Quote:


Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

>
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >>
> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >>
> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >>
> >> Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >>
> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >>
> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> PhatBox connector.
> >>
> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >>
> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >>
> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> >ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> > <
> > BR>>
> >;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle

&g
t;

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email

&
gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================






Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


&g
t;





What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
&gt
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work

&g
t; with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone

&
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&
gt; &g
t; with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551

925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================






Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle

g
t;

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&
gt; <B
R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email


gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding <
BR>&gt
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Drall
e



For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================



&gt
;



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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink

Matt
At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
Quote:


What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> >
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >>
> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >>
> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >>
> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >>
> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >>
> > >> Matt Dralle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >>
> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >>
> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > >> PhatBox connector.
> > >>
> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> > >>
> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> > >>
> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Mike"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> > >
> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> > >
> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> > >
> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> > >
> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> > >
> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> > >
> > > What Phatbox Said:
> > >
> > > http://www.m
> > > atroni
> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> > >
> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> > >
> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> > >
> > > Matt Dralle
> > >
> > >
> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> > >
> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> > >
> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > > y conn
> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> > > PhatBox connector.
> > >
> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> > >
> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > > right time to initialize itself.
> > >
> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike"
> > >
> > > <
> > > BR>>
> > >;
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >==================================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> &g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>
> &
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> &g
> t;
>
>
>
>

What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
&gt
;
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

Wha
t Matt
Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message
from M
ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work

&g
t; with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Drall
e | Ma
tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone

&
gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin
numbe
rs and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


Fo
r refe
rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
&
gt; &g
t; with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
94551

925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================






Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
pl
ugged
in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
s inst
ead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are
for re
ference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle

g
t;

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
&
gt; <B
R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays
high
(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email


gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my 4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
ommuni
cates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt
Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding <
BR>&gt
; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Drall
e



For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons <B
R (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. I
t is a
n input. It is used for
arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================



&gt
;



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.

So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Quote:



Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink

Matt


At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>
>
>What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
>
>Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?
>
>Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
>>
>>
>> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
>> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt Dralle
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> > >
>> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> > >
>> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> > need*
>> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> > The
>> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
>> > little
>> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> > >>
>> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> > >>
>> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> > >>
>> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> > >>
>> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> > >>
>> > >> Matt Dralle
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
>> > >>
>> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
>> a
>> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> have
>> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> > >>
>> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
>> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> > >>
>> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> > work
>> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> > >>
>> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> > the
>> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> > >>
>> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
>> to
>> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Mike"
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> > >
>> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> > >
>> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> > >
>> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> coding
>> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> > The
>> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> > >
>> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> > >
>> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> > >
>> > > http://www.m
>> > > atroni
>> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> > >
>> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> > >
>> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> > >
>> > > Matt Dralle
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:
>> > >
>> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
>> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> > >
>> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > > y conn
>> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> > > PhatBox connector.
>> > >
>> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
>> > work
>> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> > >
>> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
>> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> > the
>> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> > >
>> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Mike"
>> > >
>> > > <
>> > > BR>>
>> > >;
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >==================================================================
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
>> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
>> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>>
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>>
>> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
>> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
>> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
>> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
>> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>>
>> Anyone out there
>> with
>> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt Dralle
>>
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> need*
>> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> The
>> links are for reference only and you might find
>> you n
>> eed to interpolate a
>> little
>> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>>
>> What Matt Found on his cable:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
>> What Phatbox Said:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>>
>> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> different.
>> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>>
>> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>>
>> &g
>> t;
>>
>> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>>
>> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>>
>> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> PhatBox connector.
>>
>> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> work
>> with any multi-device conf
>> igurat
>> ions.
>>
>> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> the
>> right time to initialize itself.
>>
>> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>>
>> &
>> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
>> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
>> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
>> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
>> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>>
>> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: Matt
>> Drall
>> e dralle(at)matronics.com
>>
>> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> need*
>> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
>> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> The
>> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> little
>> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>>
>> What Matt Found on his cable:
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>>
>> What Phatbox Said:
>>
>> http://www.m
>> atroni
>> cs.com/xdp
>> 4000x/
>> SonyCable5.pdf
>>
>> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> different.
>> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>>
>> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>>
>> Matt Dralle
>>
>>
>> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>>
>> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
>> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
>> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>>
>> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> y conn
>> ector. They can be seen on the
>> PhatBox connector.
>>
>> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> work
>> with any multi-device configurations.
>>
>> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> the
>> right time to initialize itself.
>>
>> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> sho
>> uld th
>> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike"
>>
>>
>> BR
>> ;
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==================================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>> &g
>> t;
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
>
>Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
connected to the head unit?
>
>Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> he Son
>y Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>>
> ;
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> Wha
> t Matt
> Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message
> from M
>ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
>
> &g
>t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Drall
> e | Ma
>tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>
> &
>gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin
> numbe
>rs and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> Fo
> r refe
>rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> &
> gt; &g
>t; with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> 94551
>
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> pl
> ugged
>in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> s inst
>ead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there
> with
> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are
> for re
>ference only and you might find
> you n
> eed to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
> g
> t;
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>&
> gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device conf
> igurat
> ions.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays
> high
>(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>
>
> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> ommuni
>cates with the Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt
> Drall
> e dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
<
> BR>>
>; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.m
> atroni
> cs.com/xdp
> 4000x/
> SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>
> Matt Drall
> e
>
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>
> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> y conn
> ector. They can be seen on the
> PhatBox connector.
>
> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> work
> with any multi-device configurations.
>
> The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> t is a
>n input. It is used for
> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> the
> right time to initialize itself.
>
> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> sho
> uld th
> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>
> Regards,
> Mike"
>
>
> BR
> ;
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>
> ==================================================================
>
>
>
>>
> ;
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
> g
> t;
>
>
>
> matron
>ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>
>
>



Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.

So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink

Matt


At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message -----------
--- <B
R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
&
gt;&gt
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
&g
t; &gt
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





&
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

&
gt; &g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================






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925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&g
t; &gt
;
What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle

g
t;

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device conf
igurat
ions.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device initializatio
n. Wit
hout the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email


gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


&
gt; <B
R>

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt <
BR>&gt
; Drall
e dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf


What P
hatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp
4000x/
SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
ons R (SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
arbitration during device i
nitial
ization. Without the pull-down the signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
sho
uld th
en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft

&
gt; &g
t;


==================================================================






Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft


g
t;





What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me
wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor
not wo
rking:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if
that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
&
gt; &g
t; there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version of t
he Son
y Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well, unless you miss wire something... Smile

The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some examples:

CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble

On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class (high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).

An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address negotiation.

The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream, so negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.

The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.

That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the 4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100% compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly Phatbox could.

If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.

Matt
At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
Quote:


I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.

So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

>
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
> >
> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
> >
> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >> >
> >> > Matt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> > >
> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> > >
> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> >> > need*
> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> > The
> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> >> > little
> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Matt Dralle
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect
> >> a
> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> >> have
> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
> the
> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> > work
> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
> for
> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> > the
> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
> listen
> >> to
> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Regards,
> >> > >> Mike"
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> >> suggested
> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> >> 4000x
> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >> > >
> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >> > >
> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >> > >
> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> > need*
> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> >> coding
> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> >> > The
> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> > little
> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >> > >
> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >> > >
> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.m
> >> > > atroni
> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >> > >
> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> > different.
> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >> > >
> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
> >> > >
> >> > > Matt Dralle
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
> >> > >
> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
> connect a
> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> have
> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >> > >
> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> > > y conn
> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
> >> > > PhatBox connector.
> >> > >
> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
> will
> >> > work
> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
> >> > >
> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
> signal
> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
> is
> >> > the
> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
> >> > >
> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
> PhatBox
> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> to
> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards,
> >> > > Mike"
> >> > >
> >> > > <
> >> > > BR>>
> >> > >;
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>
> >> > >==================================================================
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >>
> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >>
> >> Anyone out there
> >> with
> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> need*
> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> The
> >> links are for reference only and you might find
> >> you n
> >> eed to interpolate a
> >> little
> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >>
> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> different.
> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >>
> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >>
> >> Matt Dralle
> >>
> >> &g
> >> t;
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >>
> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >>
> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> >> PhatBox connector.
> >>
> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> work
> >> with any multi-device conf
> >> igurat
> >> ions.
> >>
> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> the
> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >>
> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >>
> >> &
> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >>
> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >> From: Matt
> >> Drall
> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com
> >>
> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> >> need*
> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> >> The
> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> >> little
> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >>
> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >>
> >> What Phatbox Said:
> >>
> >> http://www.m
> >> atroni
> >> cs.com/xdp
> >> 4000x/
> >> SonyCable5.pdf
> >>
> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> >> different.
> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >>
> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >>
> >> Matt Dralle
> >>
> >>
> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >>
> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >>
> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> >> y conn
> >> ector. They can be seen on the
> >> PhatBox connector.
> >>
> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> >> work
> >> with any multi-device configurations.
> >>
> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> >> the
> >> right time to initialize itself.
> >>
> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> >> sho
> >> uld th
> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike"
> >>
> >>
> >> BR
> >> ;
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ==================================================================
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >>
> >>
> >> &g
> >> t;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in themodification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for me
> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not working:
> >
> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure if
> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when directly
> connected to the head unit?
> >
> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
> >
> >-------------- Original message --------------
> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
> > he Son
> >y Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> >>
> > ;
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > Wha
> > t Matt
> > Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message
> > from M
> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
> > a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
> > have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> >
> > &g
> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
> > to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Drall
> > e | Ma
> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> > suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> > 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> >
> > &
> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> > coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin
> > numbe
> >rs and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Fo
> > r refe
> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > &
> > gt; &g
> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
> > 94551
> >
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there,
> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
> > pl
> > ugged
> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
> Phatbox
> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
> > s inst
> >ead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there
> > with
> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt Dralle
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are
> > for re
> >ference only and you might find
> > you n
> > eed to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Dralle
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >&
> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device conf
> > igurat
> > ions.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays
> > high
> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> >
> >
> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
> > ommuni
> >cates with the Phatbox.
> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k since
> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
> >
> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Matt
> > Drall
> > e dralle(at)matronics.com
> >
> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
> >
> >
> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
> > need*
> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
> <
> > BR>>
> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
> > The
> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
> > little
> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
> >
> > What Matt Found on his cable:
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
> >
> > What Phatbox Said:
> >
> > http://www.m
> > atroni
> > cs.com/xdp
> > 4000x/
> > SonyCable5.pdf
> >
> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> > different.
> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
> >
> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
> >
> > Matt Drall
> > e
> >
> >
> >
> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
> >
> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect a
> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I have
> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
> >
> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
> > y conn
> > ector. They can be seen on the
> > PhatBox connector.
> >
> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
> > work
> > with any multi-device configurations.
> >
> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
> > t is a
> >n input. It is used for
> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
> > the
> > right time to initialize itself.
> >
> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
> > sho
> > uld th
> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mike"
> >
> >
> > BR
> > ;
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> > ;
> >
> >
> >
> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> > g
> > t;
> >
> >
> >
> > matron
> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
>

I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.

So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor could be the problem, huh?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>


Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink

Matt


At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

What do you kn
ow abo
ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the modification
of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:

Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in the
diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly connected to the head unit?

Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?

-------------- Original message -----------
--- <B
R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version
of the
Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
&
gt;&gt
; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
and what
not mi
ght be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your in
stalla
tion.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect
a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on
the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
&g
t; &gt
; arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"





&
gt; Ma
tt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

&
gt; &g
t;Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue
wire.
Note the color
coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf

What Phatbox Said:

http://www.m
atroni
cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
d
iffere
nt.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).

Matt Dralle


For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
connect a
10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and
orang
e (ground) wires. I
have
attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
(SonyCable5.pdf).

The numbers can not be seen on the Son
y conn
ector. They can be seen on the
PhatBox connector.

An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
will
work
with any multi-device configurations.

The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
a
rbitra
tion during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
signal
stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
the
right time to initialize itself.

After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.

Regards,
Mike"


BR
;


Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Liverm
ore |
CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft




==================================================================






Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft





Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did
a comp
lete system reset
afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
there,
and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
Phatbox
is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle

Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?

Matt


At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
-- XDP4000X-List message posted
by: bo
bbybraun(at)comcast.net

Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
suggested
and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
4000x
powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
there seemed to be a conflict of information.

Anyone out there
with
a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
running out of options here. Can anybody help?

-------------- Original me
ssage
--------------
From: Matt Dralle

-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle


Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
need*
the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color coding
and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
The
links are for reference only and you might find
you n
eed to interpolate a
little
with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:

What Matt Found on his cable:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
&g
t; &gt
;
What Phatbox Said:

http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf

Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
different.
Use the drawing that matches best your installation.

Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).

Matt Dralle

g
t;

For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:

"We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
connections
are th
e same but the colors

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Phatnoise Connection Problem - Help?! Reply with quote

Well, I went and tried every option I could think of within my resources, short of unhooking the 4000x and connecting the C30 directly to the C90, then from it split out to the 4000x, PB, and my changer and XM respectively. Here's a list of the attempts and their corresponding outcomes:

Phatbox (PB) plugged directly into the Changer Input of the 4000x: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x disappears and the C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, Changer in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and Changer both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XA-C30 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB in Control 1 of C30, XT-XM1 in Control 2 of C30: PB powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.
XT-XM1 plugged into the Changer Input of the 4000x, PB plugged into input of XT-XM1: PB Powers up fine and is recognized, 4000x and XM Radio both disappear, C90 only sees the PB.

Both the Changer (CDX-848X) and XM radio work perfectly when connected into the system without the PB.

Basically anything that is run inline before AND after the Phatbox is shut down and ignored by the system. Power is cut to all connected units on both sides besides C90 and PB when the PB is plugged in. Bottom line, I didn't learn a thing from any of this and am no further ahead in figuring out what the problem is...lol

Matt, I may just take you up on your offer to test out my PB in your system, but before I go that route I'm going to try a couple more things. I'm going to have the cable modified one last time with a 10k resistor and the reset line cut. Plus I'm going to blow another $100 on a used but factory original PB cable from someone in Europe who is unable to tell me the origin (other than it was made by Phatnoise) or age of the cable so I don't know how recent it has been made (but given my recent luck I'm sure it'll be one of the old cables that were made before the modification was put in place.

I'm just glad I didn't have anything sharp or blunt near me after I finished all these tests, if there had been who knows what the outcome would've been! Ahhhh!
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>

Quote:


Well, if you're handy with a soldering iron, I would try both the higher
resistor and the reset line options. Neither will hurt the equipment. Well,
unless you miss wire something... Smile

The Phatbox has a bad habit of insisting on being the first CDChanger slave on
the bus. Each class of accessory you can hook up the the Unilink Bus (UB) has a
class that it falls into. Here are some Unilink device classes along with some
examples:

CD Changer: CD Changers, Phatbox, XA-300
MD Changer: MD Changers, XM Radio (original Sony box)
Tuners: TV Tuner, Internal AM/FM Tuner
Processors: 210, 4000x, internal Bass/Treble

On system start up, the Head Unit (HU) sends out a broadcast asking for each
device class on the UB. Each device of the given class will respond with "I'm
Here" and the HU will respond back to the an "dynamic" address for that
particular device to use. The address is a combination of the device class
(high nibble) and the device's assigned address on the UB (low nibble).

An abbreviated version of this little "dance" occurs each time the HU is powered
up. If the HU discovers that there is anything different (new or missing
device) from the last time it started, it will reset the bus (both a protocol
sequence as well as dropping the Reset wire) and start a whole new bus address
negotiation.

The actual address of the device is determined by its location on the bus. The
closer a device is to the HU the lower its address will be. Basically what
happens on startup is that the first device on the UB disables bus connectivity
to all of the slaves down stream until it receives an address from the HU. On
the XA-C30, logically each respective port looks like a device in the stream, so
negotiation goes from Port 1 to Port 2 to Port 3.

The Phatbox for some stupid reason, insists on being address 1 in the CD Changer
class so you have to be really careful that it is either directly plugged into
the HU or is on Port 1 of the first XA-C30 in the chain.

That being said, this addressing limitation shouldn't be conflicting with the
4000x in your system since they are different classes of devices, but I wanted
to point out the caveat with the Phatbox addressing since it took me a while to
figure that out. I asked Mike Woo at Phatnoise why they hard coded the
addressing that way, but I didn't really get an answer back. I've written an
embedded processor Unilink Slave emulator that runs on an 8051-compatible
microcontroller and I was able to write a negotiation routing that is 100%
compatible with the master/slave addressing algorithm, so if I can do it, surly
Phatbox could.

If you'd like, you can send me your Phatbox and I can give it a try here on my
two installations to see if the problem is the Phatbox or something else.

Matt


At 04:59 AM 4/18/2006 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>
>I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
>So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
>> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
>> C90->4000->C30->Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
>> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
>> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
>> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
>> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
>> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
>> working:
>> >
>> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
>> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
>> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
>> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
>> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
>> directly connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> >> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down
whenever
>> it's
>> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> >> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
>> to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > >From: Matt Dralle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> > >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
>> *will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the
color
>> >> coding
>> >> > >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate
>> a
>> >> > little
>> >> > >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
>> using
>> >> > >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> > >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Matt Dralle
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect
>> >> a
>> >> > >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> >> have
>> >> > >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen
on
>> the
>> >> > >> PhatBox connector.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
>> >> > >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> > work
>> >> > >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
>> for
>> >> > >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> > >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> > >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
>> listen
>> >> to
>> >> > >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Regards,
>> >> > >> Mike"
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> > >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> >> suggested
>> >> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in
my
>> >> 4000x
>> >> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're
willing
>> to
>> >> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> >> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >> > >From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to
some
>> >> > > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
*will
>> >> > need*
>> >> > > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> >> coding
>> >> > > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
>> have.
>> >> > The
>> >> > > links are for reference only and you might find you need to
interpolate a
>> >> > little
>> >> > > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >> > >
>> >> > > What Phatbox Said:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.m
>> >> > > atroni
>> >> > >cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> > different.
>> >> > > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
using
>> >> > > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
>> xdp-4000x.
>> >> > > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
>> PhatManager).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Matt Dralle
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
>> when:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> > > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to
>> connect a
>> >> > > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires.
I
>> have
>> >> > > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> > > y conn
>> >> > >ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> > > PhatBox connector.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head
unit.
>> >> > > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> > > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable
>> will
>> >> > work
>> >> > > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used
for
>> >> > > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the
>> signal
>> >> > > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing
when
>> is
>> >> > the
>> >> > > right time to initialize itself.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
>> PhatBox
>> >> > > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should
listen
>> to
>> >> > > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Regards,
>> >> > > Mike"
>> >> > >
>> >> > > <
>> >> > > BR>>
>> >> > >;
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> > > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >==================================================================
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> >> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> there,
>> >> and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> >> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> >> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> Phatbox
>> >> is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >>
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >>
>> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone out there
>> >> with
>> >> a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> need*
>> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
>> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> >> The
>> >> links are for reference only and you might find
>> >> you n
>> >> eed to interpolate a
>> >> little
>> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >>
>> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >>
>> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >>
>> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> different.
>> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >>
>> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> >>
>> >> Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >> &g
>> >> t;
>> >>
>> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >>
>> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> >> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >>
>> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >>
>> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> work
>> >> with any multi-device conf
>> >> igurat
>> >> ions.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> the
>> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >>
>> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> >> should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mike"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >>
>> >> &
>> >> gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> >> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> >> powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
>> >> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> >> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
to
>> >> part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that
someone
>> >> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >>
>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
>> >> From: Matt
>> >> Drall
>> >> e dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >>
>> >> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> >> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> >> need*
>> >> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
>> >> and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> >> The
>> >> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> >> little
>> >> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >>
>> >> What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >>
>> >> What Phatbox Said:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.m
>> >> atroni
>> >> cs.com/xdp
>> >> 4000x/
>> >> SonyCable5.pdf
>> >>
>> >> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> >> different.
>> >> Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >>
>> >> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> >> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
xdp-4000x.
>> >> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
PhatManager).
>> >>
>> >> Matt Dralle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >>
>> >> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> >> connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> >> 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> >> attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> >> ons > R> (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >>
>> >> The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> >> y conn
>> >> ector. They can be seen on the
>> >> PhatBox connector.
>> >>
>> >> An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> >> Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> >> configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> >> work
>> >> with any multi-device configurations.
>> >>
>> >> The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> >> arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> >> stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when
is
>> >> the
>> >> right time to initialize itself.
>> >>
>> >> After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The
PhatBox
>> >> sho
>> >> uld th
>> >> en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> >> Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Mike"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> BR
>> >> ;
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==================================================================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> >> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> &g
>> >> t;
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >What do you know about the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
>> only other difference shown in your diagramthat wasn't done in
themodification
>> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
me
>> wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
working:
>> >
>> >Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the
job
>> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
>> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this
because
>> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
if
>> that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
directly
>> connected to the head unit?
>> >
>> >Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>> >
>> >-------------- Original message --------------
>> >From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> > there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
>> it's
>> > plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
>> > Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of t
>> > he Son
>> >y Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
>> Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> >>
>> > ;
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > Wha
>> > t Matt
>> > Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message
>> > from M
>> >ike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
>> > a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
>> > have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> >
>> > &g
>> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
>> > to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Drall
>> > e | Ma
>> >tronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> > suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> > 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only communicates with the
Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
>> since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> >
>> > &
>> >gt; wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory?
I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
>> > coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin
>> > numbe
>> >rs and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Fo
>> > r refe
>> >rence, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > &
>> > gt; &g
>> >t; with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA |
>> > 94551
>> >
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
>> > afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
>> there,
>> > and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever it's
>> > pl
>> > ugged
>> >in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
>> > controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which isshut down when the
>> Phatbox
>> > is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > Are you running the 7.0 version of the Sony Phatbox firmware?
>> >
>> > Matt
>> >
>> >
>> > At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohm
>> > s inst
>> >ead of 4.7k since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there
>> > with
>> > a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
>> > and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you have.
>> > The
>> > links are
>> > for re
>> >ference only and you might find
>> > you n
>> > eed to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Dralle
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >&
>> > gt; > >R> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system.
The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connections
>> > (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Sony connector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device conf
>> > igurat
>> > ions.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. It is an input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays
>> > high
>> >(+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > should then force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen
to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> >
>> >
>> > gt; http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
>> suggested
>> > and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
>> 4000x
>> > powers down, the system resets and the C90only c
>> > ommuni
>> >cates with the Phatbox.
>> > Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
since
>> > there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>> >
>> > Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing to
>> > part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
>> > wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
>> > running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>> >
>> > -------------- Original message --------------
>> > From: Matt
>> > Drall
>> > e dralle(at)matronics.com
>> >
>> > -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
>> > information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you *will
>> > need*
>> > the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
coding
>> <
>> > BR>>
>> >; and what not might be different depending on the version of cable you
have.
>> > The
>> > links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate a
>> > little
>> > with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>> >
>> > What Matt Found on his cable:
>> >
>> > http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>> >
>> > What Phatbox Said:
>> >
>> > http://www.m
>> > atroni
>> > cs.com/xdp
>> > 4000x/
>> > SonyCable5.pdf
>> >
>> > Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
>> > different.
>> > Use the drawing that matches best your installation.
>> >
>> > Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are using
>> > anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the xdp-4000x.
>> > Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through PhatManager).
>> >
>> > Matt Drall
>> > e
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back when:
>> >
>> > "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
>> > connections are the same but the colors are different. You want to connect
a
>> > 10k resistor between the blue (bus master) and orange (ground) wires. I
have
>> > attached a PDF with a detailed description of the connecti
>> > ons > > R (SonyCable5.pdf).
>> >
>> > The numbers can not be seen on the Son
>> > y conn
>> > ector. They can be seen on the
>> > PhatBox connector.
>> >
>> > An unmodified cable should work when directly connected to a head unit.
>> > Firmware 5.00 and an unmodified cable works with simple multi-device
>> > configurations. I'm not sure if firmware 6.00 and an unmodified cable will
>> > work
>> > with any multi-device configurations.
>> >
>> > The problem is with the bus master signal. I
>> > t is a
>> >n input. It is used for
>> > arbitration during device initialization. Without the pull-down the signal
>> > stays high (+5V) at all times. Thus the PhatBox has trouble knowing when is
>> > the
>> > right time to initialize itself.
>> >
>> > After the PhatBox is connected, it will boot and then shutdown. The PhatBox
>> > sho
>> > uld th
>> > en force a reset after a few seconds. However, you should listen to
>> > Matt regarding pushing reset. He would know best about using the C90.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike"
>> >
>> >
>> > BR
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ==================================================================
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> > ;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>> >
>> >
>> > g
>> > t;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > matron
>> >ics.com/xdp4000x-list/download
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
>> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
>> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>I actually do have one a XA-C30, and during my initial installation I tried
using it with the Phatbox just to see if it had an effect. This last time I did
not try it with it installed however so I'll give it another try.
>
>So you don't think the reset line in your diagram or a higher value resistor
could be the problem, huh?
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: Matt Dralle dralle(at)matronics.com
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Do you have an XA-C30 multiplexer? On both of my installations, I am plugging
> the Phatbox into the system using one of these. Basically
> C90-4000-C30-Phatbox. I don't know if I've ever tried plugging the Phatbox
> directly into a 4000. Seems like I must have tried that at some point, but I
> can't remember for sure. You might be able to talk me in to loaning you a
> XA-C30 if you promise on your mama's grave to return it... Wink
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 08:05 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> What do you kn
> ow abo
>ut the reset line being cut in your diagram? This is the
> only other difference shown in your diagram that wasn't done in the
modification
> of the cable. Here's what they guy that's been doing the work on the unit for
> me wrote after I contacted him the last time about the 4.7k resistor not
> working:
>
> Well its a pulldown resistor so any value of several k or so should do the job
> 5 vs 10 should not matter but I could be wrong. The other thing was that in
the
> diagram you showed me the reset line seemed to be cut. I didnt do this because
> lower down it seemed that they fixed that with a firmware update? Im not sure
> if that would help but you might want to ask Matt. Does it still work when
> directly connected to the head unit?
>
> Does this sound like something that could cause a problem?
>
> -------------- Original message -----------
> --- > >R> From: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> Yes, and I even reinstalled the firmware and did a complete system reset
> afterwards, all to no avail. So frustrating, the C90 knows the Phatbox is
> there, and can control it just fine, but the 4000x just shuts down whenever
> it's
> plugged in. I find it odd that the Phatbox can still be recognized and
> controlled since it is plugged into the 4000x which is shut down when the
> Phatbox is plugged in... I just don't know what to do...
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
> Are you running the 7.0 version
> of the
> Sony Phatbox firmware?
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 07:27 PM 4/17/2006 Monday, you wrote:
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: bobbybraun(at)comcast.net
>
> Well I had the cable modified with the 4.7k ohm resister installed as
> suggested
> and the problem is still there... as soon as the Phatbox is plugged in my
> 4000x
> powers down, the system resets and the C90 only communicates with the
> Phatbox.
> Still wondering if that resistor should've been 10k ohms instead of 4.7k
> since
> there seemed to be a conflict of information.
>
> Anyone out there with a working spare Sony Phatbox cable they're willing
> to
> &
> gt;>
>; part with for some cash, or a photo of the bottom of a Sony PB that someone
> wouldn't mind me using to get myself a cable direct from the factory? I'm
> running out of options here. Can anybody help?
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: Matt Dralle
>
> -- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
>
>
> Okay, here's some help on this cable issue. Below are two links to some
> information on how the Phatbox-Sony cables are wired. Note that you
> *will
> need*
> the 4.7k ohm resistor between ground and the blue wire. Note the color
> coding
> and what
> not mi
>ght be different depending on the version of cable you
> have.
> The
> links are for reference only and you might find you need to interpolate
> a
> little
> with respect to colors and pin numbers and what not:
>
> What Matt Found on his cable:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/Unilink-To-Phatbox-Cable-Rev1.pdf
>
> What Phatbox Said:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/xdp4000x/SonyCable5.pdf
>
> Depending on what version of cable you have, things might be a little
> different.
> Use the drawing that matches best your in
> stalla
>tion.
>
> Are you using version 7.0 Sony firmware on your Phatbox? If you are
> using
> anything else, you are going to have operational issues with the
> xdp-4000x.
> Make sure you're using 7.0 Sony firmware (upgradeable through
> PhatManager).
>
> Matt Dralle
>
>
> For reference, here is a message from Mike Woo at Phatnoise way back
> when:
>
> "We changed cable manufacturers since Matt purchased his system. The
> connections are the same but the colors

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