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brianrobertwood(at)gmail.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Crash in Brazil

Was this crash in Brazil ever covered on this list? Here is a rough  

translation (courtesy of Yahoo Babel Fish) with my clarificatons in  

parenthesis. You can see the original here  

http://aerodicas.blogspot.com/2008/05/acidentes.html Scroll down to where  

you see the picture of PU-VHQ



The fall (crash) of an experimental single-engine aeroplane yesterday  

caused the death of two people in the locality of Pavão, interior of Capon  

of the Lion, in the South of the State. The aircraft model Zodiac CH 601  

XL/RB TD, prefix PU-VHQ, was piloted for (by) agricultural aviator Ricardo  

Volkweis Lopes, 51, that it (Who) had as accompanying mechanic Valdir  

Silveira Lopes Son, 25. The two had been found died inside of the  

airplane, disappeared in the afternoon of monday, 15 minutes after to take  

off of the track of the Mirim Agricultural Aviation, in Capon of the  

Leão.Conforme (According to) information of the direction (head, boss,  

leadership) of the company, Lopes took off for return of 16h30min for a  

leisure flight. As until 18h he had not returned nor made any contact, the  

colleagues had started to look (for) it. At night, the searches had  

followed without success until 3h with the aid of laborers of next ranches  

to the place where if it esteem to have happened the accident. Yesterday,  

since 5h, pilots of the Mirim carried through sobrevôos (overflights) in  

the area. To 9h30min, a group of search that followed for (by) land found  

the airplane in a farm of the Brazilian Company of Farming Research  

(Embrapa). The difficult access delayed the arrival of the teams of the  

Firemen, the Policy and Institute-Generality de Perícias (IGP). The rescue  

of the bodies alone was concluded to (by) 15h. A team of the Infraero made  

preliminary survey in the place and the result will be sent to the  

Aeronautics. Commission agent Daltro Ulguim, person in charge of the  

inquiry, said that the lack of skill specialized in the place will make it  

difficult the verification. The destroços (wreckage) had been collected by  

a team of the Mirim and led for the hangar of the company in Capon of the  

Lion. Information confirmed for the Policy do not give account of that one  

of the wings of the aircraft could have if freed and caused the fall of  

the single-engine aeroplane, that was mounted artisan by Ricardo Lopes. In  

a page in the Internet, the pilot, permitted has 32 years, published a  

daily one on the assembly of the airplane. In the registers, he disclosed  

to have started to execute the idea in 2006, after to visit a fair of  

aviation in the United States. Lopes acquired a kit of parts as landing  

gear, wing, commands and fuselage of a São Paulo company and started to  

mount the aircraft in January of 2007. Still as the registers, in 14 of  

March of 2008 the Zodiac was inspected by the responsible aeronautical  

engineer for the project and its register in the National Agency of Civil  

Aviation (Anac). Friends of work of Lopes count that the aircraft already  

had 20 flight hours and were approved and set free. He took off for the  

first time in last April. Private pilot since 1974 and agricultural one  

since 1977, Lopes also was radioamador (amateur radio operator, HAM) and  

gained notoriety when dialoguing, in 2006, with the astronaut Landmarks  

Bridges, that mission in orbital station international ISS fulfilled.



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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Crash in Brazil

Here is the pertinent phrase from the report I just posted, with my  

translation;



"Informações não confirmadas pela Polícia dão conta de que uma das asas da  

aeronave poderia ter se soltado e causado a queda do monomotor,"



"Information that was not confirmed by the police, reported that one of  

the wings of the aircraft could have come loose and caused the crash of  

the single engine plane."



Brian



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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:07 am Post subject: Crash in Brazil

Yeah. this was the plane of my friend Lopes. 



Alberto Martin

www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - Spain



----------------------------------------------

Zodiac 601 XL Builder

 Serial: 6-7011



Tail Kit: Finished

Wings: Not Started

Fuselage: Ordered

Engine: Jabiru 3300

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: Crash in Brazil

Please forgive the inferences that may be perceived from the following question:



How many of the XL crashes have occurred with two souls on board?



The videos on the web from the Brasilian crash in May are particularly disturbing because they show someone who was flying the airplane in a way that would introduce perfectly acceptable airframe loads when flown solo but could easily overload if flown dual or over gross...



It is very significant to me that there are so many flying without issues. The factory demonstrator, flown dual almost constantly, is a good example. I keep coming back to a  lack of understanding in the light sport community of how loading is perceived and actually is applied to the occupant and the airframe. I believe that this is the issue with this plane, that it is a delightfully light handling airframe that is easy  to overspeed and overload.



David L. Downey

  Harleysville (SE) PA, USA



  

--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote]From: Iberplanes IGL <iberplanes(at)gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Crash in Brazil

To: zenith601-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 11:06 AM



Yeah. this was the plane of my friend Lopes. 



Alberto Martin

www.iberplanes.es

Igualada - Barcelona - Spain



----------------------------------------------

Zodiac 601 XL Builder

 Serial: 6-7011



Tail Kit: Finished

Wings: Not Started

Fuselage: Ordered

Engine: Jabiru 3300

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: Crash in Brazil

I really truly want to believe that, but the latest crash in the  

Netherlands happened in straight and level flight. That is dsturbing.



Speculation is useless.  I would like to know what kind of rivets were  

used in each situation. I have seen a lot of people who think hardware  

store pop rivets are equivalent to Avex blind rivets. I doubt that was the  

case in the Brazil crash because Lopes was building a kit, and I assume  

the kit comes with approved rivets. I am an A&P, and I will probably use  

driven rivets where ever possible, just because I like to rivet. But I  

would like to see concrete data about type of rivets, sheet thickness and  

any other pertinent variables.



Brian Wood

Proud owner of scratch-built plans. Looking forward to buying first metal.



Em Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:41:12 -0200, David Downey <planecrazydld(at)yahoo.com>  

escreveu:

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		   applied to the occupant and the airframe. I believe that this is the  

 issue with this plane, that it is a delightfully light handling airframe  

 that is easy to overspeed and overload.



 David L. Downey  Harleysville (SE) PA, USA

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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Crash in Brazil

All of the crashes I am aware of were flying with two on board except two.



One occurred on 5/2/2007 near Canadian, TX, NTSB Identification: DFW07LA102. A sport pilot took off with his seat belt unbuckled in weather below VFR minimums with heavy rain and lightning in the vicinity and possibly impaired by drugs. There's not much mystery about why that one crashed.

The other occurred on 4/7/2008 near Polk City, FL, NTSB Identification: NYC08FA158. This was a Czech built plane on a cross country flight from Georgia to the Sun'N'Fun air show in Lakeland Florida. The nature of the flight might indicate that it was heavily loaded even with only one person on board. I know I stuff mine full of camping gear and baggage when I go on one of those trips. This one is still under investigation.



On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:41 AM, David Downey wrote:

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		  Please forgive the inferences that may be perceived from the following question:



How many of the XL crashes have occurred with two souls on board?



	






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