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GLJSOJ1

Joined: 18 Aug 2007
Posts: 82
Location: Chesapeake, Virginia

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

Hi all



Getting ready to send off for the airworthy cert and I am planning to list it as EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT rather than going the light sport.  The way I see it as long as my specification match the light sport regulations I am good to go.  Email me off line if you want



Thanks all



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Gig Giacona

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT is not only the best way to register a 601XL that you build it is the ONLY way since the deadline for the non-conforming "fat ultralights" passed earlier this year.

 	  GLJSOJ1 wrote: 	
		  Hi all



Getting ready to send off for the airworthy cert and I am planning to list it as EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT rather than going the light sport.  The way I see it as long as my specification match the light sport regulations I am good to go.  Email me off line if you want



Thanks all



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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:02 am Post subject: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

I'm not an expert but I believe you can register as ELSA since the 601XL is 

being built as a SLSA by the factory. The down side I heard was that you 

cannot deviate from the plans. If you register as ELSA the supposed up side 

is that if you sell the buyer can take the weekend class and do his or her 

own annuals. If you go EAB you can deviate from plans and apply for the 

inspection rating at the same time (no class required).  Yes an EAB can be 

flown by sport pilots as long as it was registered with the specs meeting 

the sport plane requirements, i.e. speeds, weight limit, fixed pitch(or 

ground adj.) etc. The so called fat ultralight rule was just to get 2 place 

ultralights to comply with new regs, even though they could still be 

registered as EAB.

Dirk

 	  Quote: 	
		   EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT is not only the best way to register a 

 601XL that you build it is the ONLY way since the deadline for the 

 non-conforming "fat ultralights" passed earlier this year.

 GLJSOJ1 wrote:

> Hi all

>

> Getting ready to send off for the airworthy cert and I am planning to 

> list it as EXPERIMENTAL-AIRPLANE-AMATEUR BUILT rather than going the 

> light sport.  The way I see it as long as my specification match the 

> light sport regulations I am good to go.  Email me off line if you want

>

> Thanks all

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jmaynard

Joined: 27 Feb 2008
Posts: 394
Location: Fairmont, MN (FRM)

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:02:06AM -0700, Dirk Zahtilla wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I'm not an expert but I believe you can register as ELSA since the 601XL is 

 being built as a SLSA by the factory.


	


No. An ELSA must be built from a kit *by the same manufacturer* as the SLSA.

AMD is the SLSA manufacturer; Zenith Aircraft Company is the kit supplier.

AMD would have to sell the kits in order for them to be eligible for E-LSA.



One other difference between E-LSA and E-AB: an E-LSA is not subject to the

51% rule.

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bryanmmartin

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

In addition, the kit supplier has to certify that the kit and assembly instructions comply with the consensus standards. In other words the kit has to be sold as an ELSA compliant kit right from the start.



§21.191 Experimental certificates.

* * * * *

(i) Operating light-sport aircraft. Operating a light-sport aircraft

that–

...

(2) Has been assembled—

(i) From an aircraft kit for which the applicant can provide the

information required by §21.193 (e); and

(ii) In accordance with manufacturer’s assembly instructions

that meet an applicable consensus standard; or

...

§21.193 Experimental certificates: general.

* * * * *

(e) In the case of a light-sport aircraft assembled from a kit to

be certificated in accordance with §21.191 (i)(2), an applicant must

provide the following:

(1) Evidence that an aircraft of the same make and model was

manufactured and assembled by the aircraft kit manufacturer and issued

a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport category.

(2) The aircraft’s operating instructions.

(3) The aircraft’s maintenance and inspection procedures.

(4) The manufacturer’s statement of compliance for the aircraft

kit used in the aircraft assembly that meets §21.190 (c), except that

instead of meeting §21.190 (c)(7), the statement must identify assembly

instructions for the aircraft that meet an applicable consensus standard.

(5) The aircraft’s flight training supplement.





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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

On Tuesday 16 September 2008 09:25, Jay Maynard wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 07:02:06AM -0700, Dirk Zahtilla wrote:

 > I'm not an expert but I believe you can register as ELSA since the 601XL

 > is being built as a SLSA by the factory.

 No. An ELSA must be built from a kit *by the same manufacturer* as the

 SLSA. AMD is the SLSA manufacturer; Zenith Aircraft Company is the kit

 supplier. AMD would have to sell the kits in order for them to be eligible

 for E-LSA.

As more and more of the participants on this forum provide information, what I 

suspect (but don't know) is that the players have created two companies for 

liability purposes. If AMD is legally disconnected from the kits, then they 

probably cannot be sued if someone builds a kit and does considerable damage 

to themselves or someone else with it. But an attorney would need to give the 

final word on that conjecture.

Up to this point, I had believed (incorrectly) that AMD and Zenith were the 

same company. That evidently is not the case.

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GLJSOJ1

Joined: 18 Aug 2007
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Location: Chesapeake, Virginia

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Re: LSA OR EXPERIMENTAL

Thanks for all the replies.  With information received I will go with Experimental-amateur built airplane.  I really see no reason to do otherwise.  It will go in the mail tomorrow.

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