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BMWBikeCrz(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Now that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State of Florida wants Sales Tax !!!  Any Suggestions ???

 

                                                                       Thanks ! Dave

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Suicide!

  

 Price the airplane as low as you think you can get  away with.

  

 john h

  

  

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		      Any    Suggestions    ???



                                                                         Thanks !  Dave

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KolbFlyerJim(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Hi Dave 

 In Illinois you dont have to pay sales tax if you bought it as an  ultralight and converted it to an E.S.L.A call the state about this  subject..

  

 Jim

 N2613M

 Kolb UltraStar 503

  

  In a message dated 2/25/2008 6:44:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,  BMWBikeCrz(at)aol.com writes:

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		  Now that I have done the "right    thing" and registered my Firestar the State of Florida wants Sales Tax    !!!  Any Suggestions    ???



                                                                         Thanks ! Dave

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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

DAVE 

  Hows about finding out were Â Gov. Bush lives and make a very low flyby

  around 5 AM on a SAT morning... That should bring home whatÂ TAXING

  some one is really all about.. Â hahahahahaha Â 

   

 

  

 

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Ralph B

Joined: 14 Apr 2007
Posts: 367
Location: Mound Minnesota

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

BMWBikeCrz(at)aol.com 	  Quote: 	
		  Now that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State of Florida wants Sales Tax !!!  Any Suggestions ???

 

             ?            ?                        ?            ?      Thanks ! Dave 	




In Minnesota they waived the sales tax if it was an ultralight-type aircraft purchased before September 1, 2004 (the day the SP rule became effective).



If I were you, I would leave Florida and move to Minnesota  .



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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

 What I did about taxes here in Maine I sent the  state a pic of a bare firestar fusalage mine  and  I told them I  bought this at a swap meet with a set of plans and I didn't have a receipt for  it because the guy just figured it wouldn't ever fly again and I only met the  guy once the only time I have ever gone to that aviation swap meet   in another state  then I told them I paid the guy 300.00 for the  frame and the plans and they bought it and my Taxes was only 13.00  

 if you need a pic of a naked fusalage I am willing to  send you a copy of mine  if you need it  good luck  theres  no sence paying a big tax the government is not capable to handle it wisely so  keep it for your self 

  

                                                                                     Ellery in MAINE

                                                                X- Firestar  Owner 

                                                              Mk3 Xtra    builder now 



  

  In a message dated 2/25/2008 7:56:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:

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		     Suicide!

    

   Price the airplane as low as you think you can    get away with.

    

   john h

    

    

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		        Any Suggestions      ???



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olendorf

Joined: 06 Jul 2006
Posts: 140
Location: Schenectady, NY USA

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

I'm in New York and I was told if you bought it a while ago,( I think over 7 years ago) and they didn't get the sales tax then it's too late. Statute of limitations.  Maybe Florida has the same rule. IF you bought it a while ago.

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Wade Lawicki

Joined: 27 May 2007
Posts: 31
Location: Nashville Tn.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Here in Tennessee, we have success telling them it was NOT a sale and a mandatory change by the FAA. If you have owned it for a long time or built from "Spare" parts is what they want to know. Tax division has no idea about what sport pilot is until you explain it to them, they just get n numbers and assume it is a change of ownership. Here in Nashville it is just 1 woman that handles it and is very understanding.

                             Fly Safe,

                                            Wade

azfirestar

Joined: 08 Dec 2007
Posts: 25

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Listen to Ellery when he talks about taxes.  I lived in Maine for 5 years and they have a high tax for everything you can think of - so he has earned the unfortunate honor of expert on this topic.  In AZ there is no tax if it was a private party sale (no dealer).  So, like the others said, do some checking before you pay the gov.

 

 Dan G.

 503 F2

 Tucson

 

 BMWBikeCrz(at)aol.com (BMWBikeCrz(at)aol.com) wrote:

 [quote]Now that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State of Florida wants Sales Tax !!!  Any Suggestions ???

   

                                                                       Thanks ! Dave

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Scott,



The state of New York has an impressively effective bunch of bureaucrats whose job is to comb the FAA registration database, at least annually, and find newly registered aircraft in their jurisdiction. They WILL find and WILL send you a sales tax bill. You can guess how I know this. If you have somehow escaped their notice (so far) I would not count on this forever. 



That said, I'm still waiting (with my fingers crossed) on my sales tax bill for the FS1 I bought and registered last July. They've always found me in the past and I expect they will again. When they do, they will also bill you for fines and penalties for not volunteering to pay the tax in a timely fashion. So far, I've talked them out of those by pleading ignorance and cutting a check for the actual tax due.



On the plus side, New York does not have what is called the annual Ad Valorem tax that is a real PITA in many states in the south. So once you pay the sales tax there is no more annual penance to be paid. Same for cars and boats.

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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

For a glider I bought I was sent 3 tax bills.



One from Santa Ynez county in CA where the previous owner lived, one from Riverside County where I live, and one from Orange County because I live a couple miles from their county line and they though they could snag some extra bucks.



In the end I ended up paying nothing because I read their Tax ordinances on aircraft and found that my Glider by their own definition was not "designed for powered navigation through the air"......nope....no power in a glider.....Haaaaaa....they had to eat their own regs!!!



Unfortunately my Moni Motor Glider does cost me even though its not even finished being built.......so the buggers got me anyway.



The UltraStar however is not registered so I'm in the clear with that one too!



2 out of 3 aint bad!

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WillUribe(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Hi Dave,

 My suggestions is move to Texas, not state income tax or airplane tax. [img]http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/0201d201a5/02[/img]

  

 Regards,

 Will Uribe

 El Paso, TX

 FireStar II

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 PS; Helping Dave Rains build his Mosquito, hope to be at MV if we get the  engine in time.

 

  

  

  

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 Now  that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State of  Florida wants  Sales Tax !!!  Any Suggestions  ???



                                                                       Thanks ! Dave



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by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

Now that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State of Florida wants Sales Tax !!!  Any Suggestions ???

 

                                                                       Thanks ! Dave

 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.  

   

Pay it or move to a state that does not have sales tax.  

   

In Utah they wanted sales tax on the kolb..  a lot of tax…  in the tax due line it showed,        ” $530,114.11” as the fair market value of aircraft on registration date, and at 6% tax rate they only wanted “ $31,806.85”    needless to say we did a bit of negotiating.     

   

…  then they wanted property tax and registration fees…  based on the above information …  then after a few years I discovered, quite by accident,  that I qualified for registration in the antique/experimental category,,,   and the registration is a 1 time lifetime fee.  Instead of yearly fees.   Your state may have different laws. But worth asking.   Now I have gone from $70.00 down to the $25.00 range per year.  

   

   

Boyd   

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jb92563

Joined: 23 Mar 2007
Posts: 314
Location: Southern California

Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!

The moral of all these stories is that the Tax people do a lot of indiscriminate grabbing for your money if you own something THEY think is taxable so its up to you to find out what your local county tax code regulations say as many people are probably paying more than they have to and may even have liens against your aircraft you don't even know about yet.



You don't expect them to tell you what discounts you qualify for?!!!



But they sure as heck are more than happy to put liens against anything and everything you own when ever they can.



Its up to you to find out what is right in your county and straighten them out.

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