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jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags.  I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems.  I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability.  I would aprreciate any input

aurbo(at)ak.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Jason,

  

 I have one of each, I have them  installed, I have not run the engine yet. 

  

 Your Tach may have to be recalibrated to  run on an electronic mag.

  

 I like the way they look. I like the way  they installed. I followed Emagair's wiring instructions and it was  simple.

  

 I have heard the same about the  reliability but I think that was with earlier models. 

  

 I will be interested to follow this  thread. Hope some others chime in. How about you Mr.  Repucci?

  

 Mike Ice

  

 Baffling my way through the baffles and  cowl install.

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Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

I know of two instances first hand.  Both installs began acceptably then both died.  I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.  

I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free.  I am installing one lightspeed box soon.   I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me.  They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.  Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.  As for the power generation  aspect of the P=mags I don’t buy it.  The reliability of your engine does not require it.  Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.  

Your milage may vary  

Tad Sargent  

7A  

         

  

From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net

 Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM

 To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability  

  

   

I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags.  I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems.  I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability.  I would aprreciate any input.  

Thanks,  

Jason  



 

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John Brunke

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Tad,

  

 Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed  need a second battery as a backup power source?

  

 There is a lot of info out there on the  P-mags.   Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from  searching

 on the web I found that the manufacturers did a  good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well  taken

 care of the problems.   Knowing that  someone will stand behind their product is very important to me.

  

 The racing crowd tends toward the  Lightspeed.  

  

  I just wanted solid state reliability and  having the ability to use automotive plugs led me  towards the P-mags.   

 Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,  seemed to

 reduce some of the overall complexity  (weight).

  

 Happy building,

 John Brunke

 RV7, tip-up in progress

  

  

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Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Your question tells me your mind is made up.  As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system.  What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time.  I am using one mag and one lightspeed.  Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition.  I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there.  The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems.  

   

“The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.”    

   

 “I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.     

Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to  

reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).”  (snip)  

   

Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?  

   

You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags.  Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.  

   

You asked for observations and comments.  

   

Regards,  

Tad  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke

 Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM

 To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability  

  

     

Tad,  

    

   

    

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source?  

    

   

    

There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.   Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching  

    

on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken  

    

care of the problems.   Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me.  

    

   

    

The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.    

    

   

    

 I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.     

    

Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to  

    

reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).  

    

   

    

Happy building,  

    

John Brunke  

    

RV7, tip-up in progress  

    

   

    

   

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John Brunke

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 43

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Hey Tad, 

  

 I was not putting down the light speed at  all.   It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of  business.

  

 This question was put forth by another  lister.   My only question to you was about the second power  source.

  

 Sorry I got you seeing red in my  writing.

  

 John Brunke

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bahrns(at)mchsi.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Jason,  

     I have one of each as well. I had the earlier ser'#s when I  installed them. They worked very well but I went ahead & sent them in when  they came out with the update.

 They  promptly sent them back with the updates & have performed perfectly. They  are very easy to install & time & the engine seems to start instantly  & idle smoother than the standard mags. With both emags firing & on 0  degrees before top dead center the engine almost starts immediately. I am very  happy with mine & I think you will be as well. 

 Thanks, Stan Bahrns

 RV7-A  (70) hrs

 stanb(at)bahrns.com (stanb(at)bahrns.com)

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lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had

some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me

on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!



Darrell

--- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727(at)comcast.net> wrote:



[quote] Hey Tad, 

 

 I was not putting down the light speed at all.  

 It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be

 out of business.

 

 This question was put forth by another lister.   My

 only question to you was about the second power

 source.

 

 Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.

 

 John Brunke

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Since some early issues the E/Pmag combo has been fault free for about 180 hours.



Frank



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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

John,

  

 I don't think a second power source  is *required*, but rather it is *recommended*.  I would just put in a small backup battery (~5AH) for  the EI's anyway. Switch the EI to the B/U battery during the starting  sequence, so that the main battery is running only the  starter. This way, any voltage drop would not affect the EI system at  all!  Just my thoughts.

  

 Konrad

  

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klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

I agree on you with that. Lightspeed  all the way (my personal preference)!!!

 do not archive

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Tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

No red seeing here, just what I see.  I think a second power source is not necessary but others may disagree.  

All my best,  

Tad  

         

  

From: owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke

 Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:05 PM

 To: rv7-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability  

  

     

Hey Tad,   

    

   

    

I was not putting down the light speed at all.   It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business.  

    

   

    

This question was put forth by another lister.   My only question to you was about the second power source.  

    

   

    

Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.  

    

   

    

John Brunke  

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jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:21 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Darrell, 

What was it that sold you on Lightspeed?  I'm aware that an electronic ignition will/should give better performance than mags, my concern is over the reliability in the event of an electrical loss.  How long is the battery going to keep you up?  What was it that sold you on Lightspeed rather than the emag/pmag?  Also, have you had or do you know of anybody who has had problems with their electronic ignitions?   

Jason 



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lifeofreiley2003(at)yahoo
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability

Jason,



Track record was the big one for me. Customer service

was another. Electrical loss is a non-issue, I will

still have one mag and a Main Buss with a separate

Endurance Buss. Even with dual EI, if the electrical

system is put together with endurance in mind, you

should not worry about an issue.



I also did not like the control unit under the cowl as

with the Emag/Pmag. Lightspeeds control box is in the

cabin area under the panel. 



If you'll search VAF, there are numerous issues

reported with the Emag/Pmag to include failures. Some

say innovation... they've had plenty of time, years

and there's still to many issues for me to invest in

the Emag/P-mag systems. IMHO... my 2 cents.



Best regards,



Darrell



 

--- "jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net" <jkrowe.1(at)netzero.net>

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		   Darrell,

 What was it that sold you on Lightspeed?  I'm aware

 that an electronic ignition will/should give better

 performance than mags, my concern is over the

 reliability in the event of an electrical loss.  How

 long is the battery going to keep you up?  What was

 it that sold you on Lightspeed rather than the

 emag/pmag?  Also, have you had or do you know of

 anybody who has had problems with their electronic

 ignitions?  

 Jason

 



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