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eastcoastflyer29(at)hotma
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Anyone notice the L-29 market is very weak and going LOWER with the high 

price of fuel and more cheap imports coming into the country. There are 

flying/certified L-29's with good paint and radios  in the US and they are 

on the market and NOT selling at these prices which tells you that the price 

is still too high!  Read it and weep......  Two of them on Trade-a-plane 

ASKING $44,900 and not selling.  Imagine how many L-29 owners want to sell, 

but have not listed their planes.....?

I can see the market easily going down to $30K for a nice L-29 with good 

paint, radios, ground equipment, certified/flying in the US.   These planes 

are underpowered pigs and have poor range and basically have no practical 

use.   Fuel burn at 160 gallons/hour at an average of $3.50 for jet A equals 

fuel cost of approx $560 an hour just for fuel....  Not too many folks can 

afford to throw away that type of money just to go jerk around for an hour.

Good luck selling these pigs!



Not sure what this guy is thinking.... $60K for a basic stock airplane....  

In his dreams....

Guess he has no clue as to the market....



1969     L29      Ocala  FL   $60,000

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RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a  

long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip VFR).  

Though what I really want is an F-86  The L-29 should be a great entry 

level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of parts. 

It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!

Boyce

SD737(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Well, Get your pen out and get busy....     1,000 hours  racks up pretty 

quick      

 

I'm a pilot for a major airline (no longer bankrupt) and I fly the 757/767  

and I enjoy my L-29, but the high cost of fuel has made it an issue for  me.

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously

have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no

dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s

then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple

who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on internet

lists trying to get a rise out of people.



Get a life

On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com <RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 



 If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a

 long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip

 VFR).

 Though what I really want is an F-86  The L-29 should be a great entry

 level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of

 parts.

 It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!

 Boyce

fish(at)aviation-tech.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Ernie,



I seem to remember someone once saying something similar to you in the past

when you asked a question about L-29's.



He who lives in a glass house!



Fly Safe

John Fischer

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously

have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no

dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s

then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple

who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on internet


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  lists trying to get a rise out of people.



Get a life

On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com <RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com> wrote:

>

> 

>

> If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > VFR).

> Though what I really want is an F-86  The L-29 should be a great entry


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  > parts.

> It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!

> Boyce

>

>

RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:11 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Ernie;

    Not sure if that was directed at me or not. Sorry  don't mean to offend 

saying it was the Cessna of warbirds. What I meant by that,  is it doesn't TO 

and land at 150 knots, nor require a pilot to be in the top 5%  of pilots to 

fly. As compared to the Iskra, I have been told it's a little  easier to fly. 

That's all. I'd buy one in a skinny minute, IF I had the rating. 

Boyce

eastcoastflyer29(at)hotma
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:22 am Post subject: L-29 Glut

Well,

Looks like I got a rise out of you!

Comparing email addresses it's obvious you're the guy who has his L-29 

priced for sale almost twice what it's worth!



Very predictable response!



As far as ranting, it's obvious that is where your expertise presents 

itself, and not the current market value for L-29's.  $60K  LOL....   In 

your "L-29 Dreams"!  How many offers have you received?   ZERO!



Also, in your"rant", check the spelling on: "aout" and "dicernable" or at 

least run spell check before you retort with such an embarrassing 

response.....



By the way....  it's spelled "discernible" in case you are not able to 

"discern" the correct spelling....



Best of luck to you on selling your plane because at that ridiculous price 

you will need plenty of luck and then some, OR just some total fool to come 

along and pay that price....

The market is obviously very soft and planes are not selling even in the 

$40's.



Hope you get some blinds for that glass house, because from what I see 

looking in appears pretty ugly, contentious and arrogant!

Colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

There are some L-29's on the market, I have seen them from 40K up to 100K 

(the later being on drugs or something)  Yes the market is soft right now but 

where else can you fly a warbird for 50K. It's a bargin especially at that price, 

and you are flying a Jet!  I know someone who just bought a JT12 powered L-29 

for 70 Grand. If I would have known about it I would have bought it.  That 

thing hauls ass!!! But I am happy tooling around 2 hours a month in my L-29.  It 

satisfies the bug quite well.....

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

In response to Steve Roberts post:



I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel that

a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.



When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a

certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically affected

by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was

and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the wonderful

quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with

more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over

$100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the

L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's

marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying $175,000

and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2

aircrafts is very similar.



Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and

operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and

parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The

L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird community.

Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine that

requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love it!)

Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years latter.

So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and

affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.

With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every

operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your

own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,

reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this

aircraft.



Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines

becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the

coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over

the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for $100,000

and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and

the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes  a

nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to

get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold

recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together. Happy

Delfin Flying



The Delfin Driver

2819

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

In response to Steve Roberts post:



I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel that

a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.



When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a

certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically affected

by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was

and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the wonderful

quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with

more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over

$100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the

L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's

marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying $175,000

and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2

aircrafts is very similar.



Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and

operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and

parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The

L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird community.

Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine that

requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love it!)

Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years latter.

So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and

affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.

With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every

operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your

own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,

reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this

aircraft.



Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines

becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the

coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over

the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for $100,000

and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and

the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes  a

nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to

get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold

recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together. Happy

Delfin Flying



The Delfin Driver--2819

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Hey Bob,



1 quart an hour aye??? Better get it checked. I'm using about 1 quart every

3 or 4.



Ernie

On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 

 schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net>



 In response to Steve Roberts post:



 I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel

 that

 a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.



 When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a

 certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically

 affected

 by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was

 and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the

 wonderful

 quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated

 with

 more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over

 $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of

 the

 L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's

 marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying

 $175,000

 and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2

 aircrafts is very similar.



 Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and

 operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and

 parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The

 L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird

 community.

 Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine

 that

 requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love

 it!)

 Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years

 latter.

 So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and

 affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.

 With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every

 operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your

 own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,

 reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this

 aircraft.



 Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines

 becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the

 coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over

 the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for

 $100,000

 and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and

 the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It

 takes  a

 nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to

 get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold

 recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.

 Happy

 Delfin Flying



 The Delfin Driver--2819

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: L-29 GLUT

just kidding. actually with aerobatics it might be a quart every 2 hours. 

But its  great airplane.

this guy got me going about the L29



Robert E. Schwartz

President

THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST

Commercial Real Estate Services

2406 East Pleasant Street

Davenport, Iowa USA 52803

Tel: (563) 322-2228  Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600

Email: schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net



This information is intended for the use of individual named above.  If you 

are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, 

copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the 

content of this information is strictly prohibited.

---

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

Are you going to the CJAA convention? I heard that Doug Gillis isnt going,

and Zach wont be there. I spoke with Gary Cole and he was asking if I was

going. I said no. Looks like it'll be a 39 owners convention.



Ernie

On 2/7/06, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net> wrote:

[quote]

 

 schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net>



 just kidding. actually with aerobatics it might be a quart every 2 hours.

 But its  great airplane.

 this guy got me going about the L29



 Robert E. Schwartz

 President

 THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST

 Commercial Real Estate Services

 2406 East Pleasant Street

 Davenport, Iowa USA 52803

 Tel: (563) 322-2228  Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600

 Email: schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net



 This information is intended for the use of individual named above.  If

 you

 are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any

 disclosure,

 copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the

 content of this information is strictly prohibited.

 ---

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

not going either



will be in europe on business

ainut(at)hiwaay.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

I thought the L-29's burn was about 103 gallons per hour.  Is this 

incorrect?



Thanks,

David M.

Ernest Martinez wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously

 have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no

 dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s

 then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple

 who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on internet

 lists trying to get a rise out of people.

 

 Get a life

 

 

 On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com <RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com> wrote:

 

>

>

>If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a

>long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip

>VFR).

>Though what I really want is an F-86  The L-29 should be a great entry

>level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty of

>parts.

>It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!

>Boyce

>

>

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

About 150 gph in cruise.



On 2/7/06, AI Nut <ainut(at)hiwaay.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 



 I thought the L-29's burn was about 103 gallons per hour.  Is this

 incorrect?



 Thanks,

 David M.

 Ernest Martinez wrote:



 > 

 >

 > Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously

 > have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no

 > dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for

 L-29''s

 > then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple

 > who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on

 internet

 > lists trying to get a rise out of people.

 >

 > Get a life

 >

 >

 > On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com <RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com> wrote:

 >

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 >>If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm

 a

 >>long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine

 recip

 >>VFR).

 >>Though what I really want is an F-86  The L-29 should be a great entry

 >>level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty

 of

 >>parts.

 >>It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!

 >>Boyce

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ainut(at)hiwaay.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:50 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

What is the recommend runway length to operate these birds?  Can one get 

away with a 3300 foot paved, that is 40 feet wide?



Thanks,

David M.

ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 In response to Steve Roberts post:

 

 I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel that

 a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.

 

 When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for a

 certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically affected

 by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there was

 and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the wonderful

 quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated with

 more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over

 $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of the

 L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's

 marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying $175,000

 and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2

 aircrafts is very similar.

 

 Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and

 operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and

 parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The

 L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird community.

 Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine that

 requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love it!)

 Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years latter.

 So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and

 affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.

 With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every

 operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own your

 own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,

 reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this

 aircraft.

 

 Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines

 becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the

 coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all over

 the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for $100,000

 and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different and

 the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes  a

 nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to

 get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold

 recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together. Happy

 Delfin Flying

 

 The Delfin Driver

 2819

schwartzcompany(at)worldn
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

There really are not any military Jets that will burn 100 gal per hour. At 

least not the older ones.    I safe average number would be 150 per hour. 

with most of the time being in cruise. Fuel economy is not the strong point 

of military Jets.



From: "AI Nut" <ainut(at)hiwaay.net>

To: <l29-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: L-29 GLUT

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I thought the L-29's burn was about 103 gallons per hour.  Is this

 incorrect?



 Thanks,

 David M.

 Ernest Martinez wrote:



> 

>

> Maybe you should post your rants on the Cessna list, since you obviously

> have no idea aout what you're talking about, and have absolutely no

> dicernable clue regarding L-29's. If you have so much disdain for L-29''s

> then why are you on this list? Probably because you're a social cripple

> who cant get along in normal social circles, and trolls around on 

> internet

> lists trying to get a rise out of people.

>

> Get a life

> On 2/7/06, RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com <RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com> wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>If I had the rating, I'd jump on a decent flyable plane at $50,000. I'm a

>>long way from that rating unfortunately at 110 hours (single engine recip

>>VFR).

>>Though what I really want is an F-86  The L-29 should be a great entry

>>level  jet. It's cool looking, forgiving, readily available, and plenty 

>>of

>>parts.

>>It's  the Cessna of the warbird market. Nothing wrong with that!

>>Boyce

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

It can be done, but you better have the numbers right on. You didnt mention

obstacles. 3300 ft leaves no options for an abort, also high density

altitudes with full tanks would be marginal at best. My personal minimums

are 4500 ft



On 2/7/06, AI Nut <ainut(at)hiwaay.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 



 What is the recommend runway length to operate these birds?  Can one get

 away with a 3300 foot paved, that is 40 feet wide?



 Thanks,

 David M.

 ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:



 > 

 schwartzcompany(at)worldnet.att.net>

 >

 > In response to Steve Roberts post:

 >

 > I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel

 that

 > a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.

 >

 > When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for

 a

 > certified , flying nice aircraft.  The L-29 market was dramatically

 affected

 > by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there

 was

 > and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the

 wonderful

 > quality of Aero Vodochody production.  The L-39 is a more sophisticated

 with

 > more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over

 > $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of

 the

 > L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's

 > marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying

 $175,000

 > and up for any decent flying aircraft.  While fuel burn between the 2

 > aircrafts is very similar.

 >

 > Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!.  But where can anyone buy and

 > operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and

 > parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices?  NOWHERE. The

 > L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird

 community.

 > Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine

 that

 > requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love

 it!)

 > Just a comparison.  A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years

 latter.

 > So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and

 > affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer

 budget.

 > With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every

 > operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own

 your

 > own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,

 > reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this

 > aircraft.

 >

 > Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines

 > becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the

 > coming months and years.  To address resale value.  The market is all

 over

 > the place. I have seen  very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for

 $100,000

 > and I have seen them in the box for $18,000.  Every case is different

 and

 > the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It

 takes  a

 > nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship

 to

 > get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold

 > recently well above $50,000.    Let work together and stick together.

 Happy

 > Delfin Flying

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schwartzcompany(at)worldn
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: L-29 GLUT

3300 ft is a little tight for the L-29 .as it leaves no safety zone.  4,000 

ft will work.    4500 and up is better.  Depends on elevation, weight and 

expereince.

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