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Looks like Big Brother is trying to help again.
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Volume 9, Issue 5 • February 2, 2007
In this issue:
[url=#nuke]NRC leaves aviation regulation up to FAA[/url]
[url=#pilot]When airline flight deck calls, private pilot answers[/url]
[url=#tv]AOPA works to ensure fairness in TV security story[/url]
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GA News
AOPA TELLS REPORTERS WHAT TO WATCH FOR IN USER FEES
 The Bush administration won't have a chance to obscure the issue of aviation user fees in the president's upcoming budget submission to Congress. That's because AOPA took a preemptive strike, briefing key reporters in the nation's capital about how to find the secrets in the budget when it is made public on February 5. "The administration is manufacturing an FAA 'funding crisis' in a smoke-and-mirrors attempt to divert attention away from the real issue—the need to address the problems that constrain capacity, efficiency, and new technology adoption," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "They are attempting an end-around of Congress to put the world's safest, most efficient, and largest air traffic control system into the hands of airline barons who've flown their own businesses into bankruptcy," Boyer said at the National Press Club on Thursday. And taking Congress out of the mix would be a very bad idea, according to Ken Mead, the former Department of Transportation inspector general who joined Boyer at the podium. "You need the checks and balances of the U.S. Congress," said Mead. See AOPA Online.
NRC LEAVES AVIATION REGULATION UP TO FAA
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission this week announced new security requirements for nuclear power plants, but it did not overstep its jurisdiction by trying to regulate aviation. In fact, it specifically said the FAA and military were charged with addressing the possibility of airborne attacks. "We continue to work with Congress, the FAA, Department of Defense, and other government agencies to show that general aviation does not pose a threat to nuclear power plants," said Andy Cebula, AOPA executive vice president of government affairs. A 2002 report commissioned by AOPA revealed that GA aircraft couldn't penetrate the concrete containment area around nuclear power plants or cause the release of radiation. In 2004, the Government Accountability Office released its own report, pointing out that nuclear power plants were designed to withstand an accident involving an airliner. See AOPA Online.
FAA PROPOSES TO CHANGE AGE-60 RULE
FAA Administrator Marion Blakey announced January 30 that the agency would soon be writing rules to move the mandatory retirement age for airline pilots from 60 to 65. The proposed rule change would parallel international standards, requiring one crewmember to be younger than 60 with an older-than-60 pilot in the cockpit. "While this rule doesn't directly affect pilots flying general aviation aircraft, we've always followed the issue closely because of our concern about any age discrimination against pilots," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "We all recognize that older pilots—airline or GA—can have skills that surpass younger pilots because of their flight hours and experience. We hope that this will also be recognized by the insurance community and others who place penalties on older GA pilots." And to help establish—once and for all—that age is not a pathology, the AOPA Air Safety Foundation is about to start a yearlong study—with the help of a major recognized research institution—to determine exactly how age affects airmanship and safety. See AOPA Online.
FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS
Think your portable GPS would work great mounted to your old Cessna 172's instrument panel? If the FAA has its way, you won't be able to mount it. The parts—panel dock and connective wiring—needed to mount your portable GPS would either no longer be available or be too expensive to buy. The FAA's proposal would make it illegal for manufacturers to produce a replacement or modification part if they know (or should know) the part would end up installed in a certified aircraft—that is unless they obtain production approval from the agency. But that costs tens of thousands of dollars, something many companies can't afford. While AOPA agrees production approval is necessary for critical parts like connecting rods and cylinders, it isn't needed for non-critical parts like a portable GPS panel dock or traffic detector that enhance pilot safety. See AOPA Online.
BRS EYES BIGGER AIRPLANES FOR AIRFRAME PARACHUTES
Ballistic Recovery Systems (BRS) says it has conducted a series of successful development tests for airframe parachutes designed to handle heavier loads and higher speeds. BRS has long talked about expanding its product line to increase the number of aircraft that can utilize the safety feature, including very light jets. The tests were conducted in the Southwest using a former military aircraft to perform drop tests. The company's new sewing facility in Tijuana, Mexico, produced the test canopies. Final assembly and engineering takes place in St. Paul, Minnesota. BRS has delivered more than 25,000 parachutes since beginning operations in 1981. More than 3,000 of the company's systems are flying on certified aircraft.
LIBERTY GOES AFTER TIGER, SYMPHONY CUSTOMERS
 With the demise of Tiger and Symphony aircraft companies, Liberty Aerospace has taken the unusual step of honoring customer deposits from the two aforementioned companies. Liberty says it will honor up to $10,000 toward the purchase of an XL2, provided the customer can provide proof of the previous deposit. "This opportunity is being offered for a limited time and is dependent on market response," according to a Liberty news release.
WHEN THE AIRLINE FLIGHT DECK CALLS, PRIVATE PILOT ANSWERS
It's a safe bet that most private pilots will never be asked to help out on the flight deck of a Boeing 757 airliner during an actual in-flight emergency. But that's exactly what happened to pilot Stephen W. Brown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. He was traveling on a commercial flight from Houston to Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, on January 24 when the captain became incapacitated and later died. In a recent interview, Brown told AOPA ePilot that his "once-in-a-lifetime event" offers lessons to other pilots who might someday find themselves in the front office of an advanced cockpit.
VLJ SHOW SET FOR MARCH 2
If you'd like to experience the entire very light jet (VLJ) segment of the industry in one day, check out the Future of Business Aviation Very Light Jet Show on March 2 in Charlotte, North Carolina. Cessna, Eclipse, Spectrum, Embraer, Adam, Honda, and Diamond will all be exhibiting. Also, there will seminars on the following topics: VLJ 101, insurance, legal issues, taxes, and financing. The event is presented by Jetpool, an aviation management company.
MIKE GOULIAN WINS PRESTIGIOUS AIRSHOW AWARD
Airshow performer and aerobatic competitor Mike Goulian has won the prestigious 2006 Art Scholl Showmanship Award. It is presented each year by the International Council of Airshows to performers who go beyond high-G maneuvers. Goulian is known for his passion for aviation and giving back to the industry through flight training and other endeavors. The award is given in honor of Art Scholl, the consummate airshow performer and motion picture stunt pilot.
WORLD'S MOST BEAUTIFUL AIRPLANE
What's the most beautiful airplane you've ever seen? Help us out with our latest online survey. The results will appear in an upcoming issue of AOPA Pilot magazine in the "Pilot Briefing" section.
For daily news updates, see AOPA Online.
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AOPA WORKS TO ENSURE FAIRNESS IN TV SECURITY STORY
When AOPA's media relations department learned that KHOU-TV, the CBS affiliate in Houston, Texas, was preparing a story on assumed gaps in security at local general aviation airports, staff members contacted the 11 News Investigates team. The story was scheduled to air February 1. "We can't control the outcome, but we can be sure the reporter has all the relevant facts in hand," said AOPA Media Relations Director Chris Dancy. "In this case, we made sure the reporter knew about [url=http://www.aopa.org/airportwatch/]AOPA's Airport Watch and all the other GA security enhancements that have been put in place since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks." See AOPA Online.
JOY OF FLIGHT: LITTLE FIELD BRINGS FATHER, SON TOGETHER
R. Rollie Rankin didn't get to see his son very often, and when he did, those visits tended to be awkward. But a happenstance stop at a tiny mountaintop airfield changed that. Find out how an ordinary gentlemen with a yellow taildragger gave the two what they needed to get their relationship on the right track in send us an e-mail ([email]epilot(at)aopa.org?subject=JoyofFlight[/email]). Past articles are available online.
Expert Advice
TAX TIME: CAN YOU GET A DEDUCTION FOR FLYING?
The W-2s have been mailed, and we are in the midst of tax season. While you're looking for deductions, consider your aircraft. Have you used it for business purposes? AOPA's "Pilot's Guide to Taxes" serves as a starting point for aircraft owners looking for deductions and as a guide to working with a tax advisor.
FIND OUT IF YOUR FLYING CLUB CAN BECOME TAX EXEMPT
Are you involved in a flying club? Read up on the qualifications for tax exempt status. An exemption may be granted when a club is "organized and operated exclusively for pleasure, recreation, and other nonprofit purposes." Just having nonprofit status does not automatically exempt your club from submitting a federal income tax return. Check out the Application for Recognition of Exemption section of the Internal Revenue Service Web site for information on how to get started. AOPA recommends walking through this process with your tax advisor.
AOPA Air Safety Foundation News
ARE YOU CONNECTED? LEARN ABOUT DATALINK
Datalink is the latest technology bringing digital weather and traffic information to general aviation cockpits. Learn how this new technology works—and how you can use it safely in the cockpit—with the AOPA Air Safety Foundation's 30-minute online minicourse, Datalink. Simply stated, datalink uses satellites and ground stations to send wireless signals to a receiver on properly equipped aircraft; the information from those signals can be displayed on a GPS screen, multifunction display, or personal digital assistant. Datalink weather information includes radar, satellite, text, severe weather warnings, and more. Traffic and airspace information, like temporary flight restrictions, also help increase pilots' situational awareness in the cockpit.
GIVE BRAKING ACTION REPORTS A SQUEEZE
Ever tuned in the ATIS at the airport only to hear "...braking action fair" and wondered exactly what it meant? The AOPA Air Safety Foundation's Safety Brief Braking Action Reports highlights one of the hazards of winter flying—taxiways and runways covered in snow, ice, and slush. In this Safety Brief, learn about braking action and listen to actual recorded examples of ATIS braking action reports.
COLD HARD FACTS ON WING CONTAMINATION
If you're learning to fly in colder parts of the country, you've probably learned that an essential part of preflight is to clean the wings of snow, frost, or ice. During the last 10 years, there have been more than 30 accidents that occurred on takeoff because the airplane's wings were contaminated. As a result of these accidents, the NTSB mailed all pilots an alert letter urging them to look at and feel the aircraft's wings during preflight to ensure no ice is present. The AOPA Air Safety Foundation's Cold Facts: Wing Contamination Safety Brief offers suggestions for simple preflight steps that can easily prevent these kinds of accidents.
Quiz Me
Here's a question asked by an AOPA member who contacted our aviation services staff through the AOPA Pilot Information Center. Test your knowledge.
Question: I recently had to deviate from an ATC clearance to handle an in-flight emergency involving an electrical short circuit. Must I notify the FAA?
Answer: The only time you are required to notify the FAA of an in-flight deviation is when it specifically requests it. Additionally, FAR 91.3 states the following: "In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency. The pilot in command may still be investigated by the FAA for any infraction contrary to the regulations, but the emergency will be a mitigating circumstance. For more insight, review the online AOPA article, "Legal Briefing—Reporting Emergencies," and the AOPA Air Safety Foundation's interactive online safety course, Say Intentions.[/url]
Got a question for our aviation services staff? The AOPA Pilot Information Center is is at your service. Call toll-free 800/872-2672 to speak to a specialist about any general aviation topic. Or e-mail to pilotassist(at)aopa.org (pilotassist(at)aopa.org). Send comments on our Quiz Me! questions to epilot(at)aopa.org (epilot(at)aopa.org).
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Catch-A-Cardinal Sweepstakes Update
 Every sweepstakes project starts with a little deconstruction. This week we really get into the guts of the matter. Technicians are disassembling the Cardinal to see what lurks inside. It's a challenge for sure, but we want to rebuild your airplane just right. Follow along as this bird's wings get removed in preparation for all of the exciting enhancements on the horizon.
AOPA Career Opportunity
Are you one of the industry's recognized leaders in public relations? If so, you should know that we are looking to create a new role of Vice President of Public Relations. The ideal candidate is an experienced communications professional with strong public and media relations, issues management, and crisis communications skills. This person should be a respected leader with a long track record of success. Learn more about this opportunity on AOPA Online.
Weekend Weather
 SOUTH CENTRAL FORECAST
Flying Forecast: A widespread area of MVFR to IFR ceilings and snows will begin on Friday over the OK and TX panhandles. During the afternoon and into the evening, this area is expected to expand to the east-south and ride along the Red River Valley and eastward into AR and northern LA. By Friday evening, high pressure will wedge back over the area, drawing much of the precipitation to a close. Much of the region should be VFR for the start of Saturday, aside from a few light MVFR snow showers dropping south out of NE and into KS and MO. Throughout the evening and into the start of Sunday, periods of MVFR snows will be found draping west out of the Tennessee Valley and over the southern tier of MO and into northern AR. A few lingering snow showers are expected to remain over KS and MO into the later hours of Sunday, but much of the accumulations should remain in the trace to inch category.
See the current weather on AOPA Online, provided by Meteorlogix.
ePilot Calendar
UPCOMING FLYING DESTINATIONS:
Novi, MI. The Great Lakes Aviation Conference takes place February 2 and 3 at the Rock Financial Showplace. Now entering its seventh year, this is the most comprehensive aviation event of its kind. With more than 100 breakout sessions and exhibits, the GLIAC has something for everyone. Contact Todd Smith, 248/348-6942, or visit the Web site.
 UPCOMING FLYING DESTINATIONS IN THE SOUTHWEST REGION:
McKinney, TX. An EAA Chapter 1246 Homebuilders Display takes place February 8 at Collin County Community College. Contact Bob Rogers, 972/761-2280.
To submit an event to the calendar or to search all events visit AOPA Online. For airport details, see AOPA's Airport Directory Online.
FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR REFRESHER CLINICS
The next AOPA Air Safety Foundation Flight Instructor Refresher Clinics are scheduled in Sacramento, CA, Louisville, KY, and Ashburn, VA, February 10 and 11. Clinics are also scheduled in Melbourne, FL, Baton Rouge, LA, and Dallas, February 17 and 18. For a complete schedule, see AOPA Online. Can't make it in person? Sign up for the CFI Refresher Online.
AOPA AIR SAFETY FOUNDATION SAFETY SEMINARS
AOPA Air Safety Foundation Safety Seminars are scheduled in Little Rock, AR, Ocala, FL, and Atlanta, February 5; Fayetteville, AR, Northglenn, CO, Tampa, FL, and Maryville, TN, February 6; Colorado Springs, CO, Melbourne, FL, Oklahoma City, and Nashville, TN, February 7; and Lake Worth, FL, Wichita, KS, and Germantown, TN, February 8. The topic is "Say It Right! Radio Communications in Today's Airspace." For details and a complete schedule, see AOPA Online.
This issue of ePilot was created for
GIFFEN MARR at GAMARR(at)CHARTER.NET
Member Tools:
Editorial Team: - Managing Editor:
Nate Ferguson ([email]epilot(at)aopa.org?subject=Attn: Nate Ferguson[/email]) - Assistant Editor: Alyssa Miller
- Contributors: Warren Morningstar and Alton Marsh
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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At 10:51 AM 2/2/2007 -0600, you wrote:
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The government is always so helpful when it comes to halting advances in
safety dead in their tracks. What ever happened to government "of, by,
and for the people"?
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This is pretty consistent with past policies. You
don't need to make log entries for things that
are not physically attached . . . i.e., portable
personal accessories and piloting aids.
This is why my dual gps installation wedges between
the of the glare shield and windshield held in place
with small dollops of windshield sealant. No connections
to the aircraft's wiring. All goes back into the flight
bag when I park the airplane and leaves no tracks for
having been there.
This isn't going to get better folks. Look at it this
way:
Everyone has notions that what they do for a living
will produce an ever increasing flow of revenue and
greater stature amongst their peers. Suppose your
job right out of college was: "Here's the books
son. Read. Memorize. Go forth and make aviation
safer."
Given that the only tools of your craft are
crafting of rules, publishing of rules, policing
compliance with the rules and punishment of transgressors.
What are your options for working up the ladder in
the career of your choice?
Microsoft, Sony, Chrysler, and McDonalds MUST
drive up returns by judicious investments in activities
designed to increase CUSTOMER perceptions of value.
Their fortunes are driven by increasing gross sales
by offering more attractive product or increasing
numbers of customers for the current products.
The FAA has no customers. I.e, no consumer/supplier
relationship and therefore no accountability
or perception of value-received for their efforts.
Further, the only way a bureaucrat can move up in
the world is to either (1) be party to expansion of
the activity's operating horizons (more rules) or
(2) take over command of greater numbers of bureaucrats.
There are no other metrics by which an organization
chartered with "enhancement of public safety" can
grow professionally . . . public risks from the
presence of aviation are so small that ANY endeavor
to reduce them is exceedingly expensive, restrictive
of personal liberties and still more difficult to
demonstrate that any one effort has produced a useful
outcome.
When challenged on this perception by those who
like to believe in the value of this activity
I will ask, "How many lives did you save last year? Or
if your function ceased to be performed, how many
folks would die as a result next year? If you ceased
to do your job, how many individuals would go elsewhere
to find an alternate source for your services?" I've
yet to receive a cogent answer . . .
I've had a working relationship with this organization
for over 30 years. If I plot observed and demonstrated
present trends out to the future, our industry in its
present form is doomed.
20 years? 30 years? Impossible to predict with accuracy
but the TREND is relentlessly trudging on in the wrong
direction. Without a fundamental change in direction,
the outcome is as inevitable as the sun coming up
tomorrow morning.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Given that there are folks out there who shouldn't be trusted to plug a toaster into a wall socket, why in God's name do you want them futzing about with the electrical system of a TC aircraft.
Like it or not there's a trail of dead bodies going back to 1909 of people who just knew better and no one could tell them different. Take a look at what happened in ultralights. I still remember Dennis telling all within earshot that he didn't think there was a way to break his aircraft, then proceeded to go up and prove how wrong he was. His reward for his innovation was a 1500 foot vertical ride, followed a few days later by a much slower 6 foot descent.
The FAA owns TC aircraft, and they're within their rights to make this ruling.
What happens to the guy or gal who buys that aircraft somewhere down the road? Who will step up and look out for them, the fine innovative manufacturer who sold the product in the first place? Don't be so dense.
The FAA does a pretty good job of managing an extremely complex activity. All this argument does is prove the adage that, "nothing is impossible to the man who doesn't have to."
Rick
On 2/2/07, CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com (CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com) <CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com (CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com)> wrote:[quote] At an airshow we talked to several military pilots, due to the slow grind at getting quality upgrades it had become common for them to home brew their own. The industry innovates and outpaces the approval and implimentation process so much that it should be standard to just have blank panel area available with a robust power supply (read that as bloody fool proof) and let them have at it. As long as it does not interfere with anything and cannot bring the system power down whats the difference between an MP3 player and a GPS?.. its non of anybody else's business.
...Chrissi
CG Products
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Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turbo
Plans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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At 09:52 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
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#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
Assinine.
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You're correct. Further, they have no jurisdiction over what
you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
| Quote: | #2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
anything else.
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Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the modern
light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
bureaucrats to hire".
Don't forget, a small fraction of registered voters in this
country even vote. When they do vote, it's more likely
to be an expressing of appreciation for promises over which the
candidate has no control. A few hundred folks in Washington
have absolute control over our future and their ears are
NOT attuned to voices teaching the principles of simple-ideas,
liberty and honorable behavior in a democratic republic.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:55 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Rick,
I for one am not going to just roll over and give my freedoms up just because there is a line of people que'd up for Darwin awards. By legislating to protect fools from themselves we all suffer.
In your example someone failed to point out that statistically ultralights are not tolerant to carelessness, daredevils or the incompetant. Nobody is "entitled" to fly any kind of craft, it takes dedication, training and retraining. It is certainly not for everybody. No amount of regulation is going to make it safe from the intentions of some people, meanwhile we give up more and more freedom in the process.
Kids ride bicycles, they fall off and they get hurt. Some mommy sues the bicycle company and now its law kids wear helmets, next it will be airbags and padded suits, seat belts. I strongly prefer kids just learn what their limitations are, what a bandaid is for and to think twice before they do something stupid again.
It comes down to personal responsibility and good judgement.
Regards, Chrissi
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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At 12:17 PM 2/2/2007 -0600, you wrote:
| Quote: | Given that there are folks out there who shouldn't be trusted to plug a
toaster into a wall socket, why in God's name do you want them futzing
about with the electrical system of a TC aircraft.
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Why is a TC aircraft sacrosanct? There are folks with knowledge,
skills and resources to accomplish non-hazardous and useful things
to what ever machines they own . . . and there are folks who are
not. An all-terrain vehicle can be (and probably is) far more
dangerous than an airplane . . . but is it because aircraft are
tucked under the benevolent wing of the FAA? The similarity of
accident rates between TC and OBAM aircraft would argue against
this premise.
| Quote: | Like it or not there's a trail of dead bodies going back to 1909 of people
who just knew better and no one could tell them different. Take a look at
what happened in ultralights. I still remember Dennis telling all within
earshot that he didn't think there was a way to break his aircraft, then
proceeded to go up and prove how wrong he was. His reward for his
innovation was a 1500 foot vertical ride, followed a few days later by a
much slower 6 foot descent.
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So he did a stupid thing with his ultralight, would he have
been any more responsible in a TC or OBAM aircraft . . . or
snowmobile?
| Quote: | The FAA owns TC aircraft, and they're within their rights to make this ruling.
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I'll suggest not "rights" but "legislative charter". There
is a clear and distinct difference between rights and charters.
| Quote: | What happens to the guy or gal who buys that aircraft somewhere down the
road? Who will step up and look out for them, the fine innovative
manufacturer who sold the product in the first place? Don't be so dense.
The FAA does a pretty good job of managing an extremely complex activity.
All this argument does is prove the adage that, "nothing is impossible to
the man who doesn't have to."
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The FAA manages nothing. They're policemen. They have
a set of rulebooks under their arms and can only react
to perceptions of having violated a rule. And like
FARS, TQM, ISO9000, and gigatons of policies, rules and
procedures, none of these institutions offset
the effects of dishonorable/irresponsible behavior
of individuals . . . ordinary accident.
Nonetheless, under legislative charter and financing from
the public purse, the FAA (and others) soldier on with
zero responsibility or even regard for the unintended
consequences of their charter. Those unintended consequences
include but are not limited to prohibiting the responsible,
capable citizen from making perfectly safe and useful
modifications to their airplane.
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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I agree, but what to do? Do we as a group embark on mass disobedience with
solidarity? Fly our aircraft by the thousands in massive formations over
the state Capitol? Or do we continue what we've been doing by just building
and flying and gathering at Oshkosh, Sun-n-fun, and so many other shows as a
public showing of the size of our numbers. I think so. But surely as we
enjoy ourselves, we must be aware of the ground-bound bureaucrats and those
they wish to influence below us as they look up with some degree of
jealousy. Get out there, build, fly, vote and "talk-up" aviation with all
who will listen. Having fun and having the sense of freedom that flying
brings is very contagious. Spread it and support those who are spreading it.
Bevan
RV7A
Egg H6 on order
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Amen!!
Bicycles and personal aircraft are optional.
Bevan
RV7A
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
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Rick,
I for one am not going to just roll over and give my freedoms up just because there is a line of people que'd up for Darwin awards. By legislating to protect fools from themselves we all suffer.
In your example someone failed to point out that statistically ultralights are not tolerant to carelessness, daredevils or the incompetant. Nobody is "entitled" to fly any kind of craft, it takes dedication, training and retraining. It is certainly not for everybody. No amount of regulation is going to make it safe from the intentions of some people, meanwhile we give up more and more freedom in the process.
Kids ride bicycles, they fall off and they get hurt. Some mommy sues the bicycle company and now its law kids wear helmets, next it will be airbags and padded suits, seat belts. I strongly prefer kids just learn what their limitations are, what a bandaid is for and to think twice before they do something stupid again.
It comes down to personal responsibility and good judgement.
Regards, Chrissi
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Course, there is another issue involved...
To my knowledge, all of the hand-held GPS units are "VFR only".
But you don't have to do much web surfing to find a lot of "suggestions"
about how to file an IFR flight plan "direct to" based on an "iffy" flight
for 80 miles or so along a VOR radial, then actually flying it using a
hand-held GPS unit.
So, is it not possible that, as is often the case, a bunch of "rule benders"
are screwing things up for everybody else?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Yep from what I gather there is a certain individual that has made
his own auto pilot for his spam can which is easily removable with no trace.
I'm sure that is the first thing he removes before exiting the airplane if
any ramp check is suspected. But while daylight is under his wings he is
free.
Randy
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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One would think that if such rule benders exist they would be
mentioned in the ntsb reports as the cause of their demise. Are there any
such reports ?
Randy
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Bill Denton
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Not everyone who drives an automobile faster than the speed limit dies.
But they are breaking rules, nonetheless...
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pilot4pay
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Folks, there is an alternative, sort of. I recently attempted a business start-up based on a tablet computer and running aviations specific software. I had designed installation hardware and materials that allowed the equipment to be easily removeable, and useable in a variety of platforms. Take it from the plane to your car or boat, etc. and simply run the application specific to the activity.
The advantages were: not a single use appliance, such as a dedicated gps device (hey, you can send e-mail when you get to your hotel/destination)
works with any vehicle or computing situation
not permanently attached
simple to remove /install for renters or multi-platform-users.
Runs non navigaton applications
full wireless connectivity
I spent a great deal of my money developing some mounting hardware, and during the process learned that other business will steal your ideas as fast as you can come up with them. Including the vendors you contract with to supply the hardware.
I currently have 12 of these mounts (cast aluminum, not plastic) and associated hardware for the Itronix tablet. They are smaller and more rugged than anything currently on the market. It took minutes to install or remove. I run RMS flight soft and Vista as primary flight planning and gps mapping and they have XM weather data link support. Vista incorporates a form of synthetic vision in it's display. The Itronix computer is the most expensive part of the system, but it is built to mil-spec, and the hard drive will not crash. It has the option of both touch screen or pen interface. The table will run on it's own power for 6 hrs with extended battery. the GPS and xm weather reciever share a mount (ripped off by propellor head after I tried to buy the bases at whole sale, and he refused to give me a price break, switched to RAM for supplier) This system has the capability of everything you see in any modern glass panel with the exception of TIS, engine monitor and the Mercury flight portable ahrs, but that's another story altogether.
The only thing is I ran out of money long before I could finish a better solution to some of RAMs other components, to support the tablet in a wider variety of aircraft. The size and weight of the mil-spec Itronix made a yoke mount possible but marginally pratical.
If any of you folks wish to find out more, or help with the last hurdle of mechanicals, we can bring a huge advance to this community by getting the versatility of open computing to GA.
The great thing about the computer is you are not limited to one application. With some simple software additons, I'm sure we can get more features together (like engine monitor, and more, no limitations).
If anyone would like to participate in exploring this topic further, feel free to contact me. Worst case is I can give you a deal on components for less than I paid wholesale, just to recoup some of my expenditures. I have 2 complete packaged sets of the RMS software and 1 copy of mountain scope I will sell for half retail price. I also have some bluetooth Delome LT-20s in the box. If I'm not mistaken the delorme supports WAAS.
Hope I haven't violated any list rules with this, but is seemed somewhat relevent.
Craig Smith Aviator Solutions LLC
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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There are cops checking for speeders and know who they are. How
does the FAA know who is using non certified equipment for flying vor
radials ? And are they flying these radials with the gps just for
situational awareness while using they're nav for primary, just as all the
company's that sell these non cerified units reccomend ? If they are flying
the non cert gps as primary how would these rule breakers be sought out ?
The only way I can think of is by ntsb reports stating that as a cause. If
there are no reports stating this how would the FAA get thier info ? Bill
I'm not trying to raise an argument, but I don't see how these dreaded rebel
"rule breakers", whoever they are, can be blamed for the FAA coming up with
new rules against portable gps's. Please explain I am at a loss.
Randy
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:49 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Rick,
You shouldn’t throw stones unless you willing to take a few hits: First, the FAA is doing a great job of ending general aviation as we know it, we lost two airplane companies last week, we now have less then 600,000 total pilots in the US, most new pilots are going to the airlines and not to GA, and most importantly you can’t save people hell bent on killing themselves.
Go look at aviation anywhere around the country that is not near a big city, or in Florida, Arizona, or southern California. If you look long enough you will surmise that general aviation it is getting smaller, soon this will begin to feed on itself. At the current rate of loss of flight schools and actively flown certified airplanes, general aviation for the average person will soon be gone. My opinion for what it’s worth is that the FAA and you folks worrying about saving the stupid are mostly to blame for this loss. Rick, don’t be so dense!
Mike
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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Bevin,
You're right on the money. Keep flying and enjoying the freedom it
brings. That way you can tell you grand kid what it use to be like in
the old days. On a very serious note, the only way to save general
aviation is to get more people doing it while at the same time reducing
cost and improving training.
Mike
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This will be my last comment as I have airplanes to work on and, frankly it's more fun and much more productive.
Have any of you heard of the Sport Pilot Rule? If the FAA is sooooo bad, how do you explain what is arguably the most progressive movement in flying? Along with my LSA repairman maintenance ticket, I was given the phone number of Edsel Ford, the administrator in charge of Sport Pilot, and told if I had any questions or concerns, please, call him direct, he wants to keep track of "his guys". Hell, he even came and audited the first class. Seen anybody from the bureaucracy working that hard for you lately?
Every barrel has a few bad apples, look at the fine time we have here with GMCjetpilot. The trick is to get rid of the bad apples and keep the rest of the barrel.
As for FAA causing the demise of GA, I'd argue that cost has a lot more to do with it than anything else. Just eight years ago, when I finally got around to finishing my PPL, a 172 was $60 an hour, wet. What is it now? When I worked for Cessna in the mid seventies a new 172 was in the low $20K range. All the cost of TC had been amortised long before that and look what a 172 costs today. When you're paying a disproportionate amount of your hard earned income for catastrophic health care extortion, er insurance, where do you find the money for an activity like flying UNLESS it is directed toward your economic improvement?
A fair amount of blame can be trowled on to school systems more interested in training children to take meaningless tests than in actual learning, too. Flying takes hard work and a dedication to continued learning. Our school boards seem to be more interested in finding out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, than in giving kids a good grounding in science. I've done presentations at elementary and high schools to kids who have never heard much of anything about aviation except that it is used by vacationers and terrorists.
And as for my wanting to save the stupid from themselves, I believe the adage that aviation is like a self cleaning oven. When my oven is cleaned, the nightly news doesn't find much interest, unlike the Cessna 150 hanging upside down from the power lines.
Rick
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Rick,
You shouldn't throw stones unless you willing to take a few hits: First, the FAA is doing a great job of ending general aviation as we know it, we lost two airplane companies last week, we now have less then 600,000 total pilots in the US, most new pilots are going to the airlines and not to GA, and most importantly you can't save people hell bent on killing themselves.
Go look at aviation anywhere around the country that is not near a big city, or in Florida , Arizona , or southern California . If you look long enough you will surmise that general aviation it is getting smaller, soon this will begin to feed on itself. At the current rate of loss of flight schools and actively flown certified airplanes, general aviation for the average person will soon be gone. My opinion for what it's worth is that the FAA and you folks worrying about saving the stupid are mostly to blame for this loss. Rick, don't be so dense!
Mike
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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I think the FAA is just trying to clarify an existing rule. It means what it says. If the dock is a permanent installation in the aircraft then the rule applies.
My flight instructor tells me recently he read somewhere that 1/3 the cost of TC aircraft is due to lawsuits and liability. Makes sense, when a jury finds an avionics manufacturer liable for a fatal accident caused by a pilot unable to use his backup instrument/partial panel skill because of the failure of a vacuum pump.
Lots of other cases like it.
Craig Smith
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I would request anyone who writes a message here about politics (Republican, Democrat, Conservative or Liberal) to include the word SPAM in the message header so that my spam filter has a chance of catching it and if not, I know to delete it without reading it.
On 2/3/07, David M. <ainut(at)hiwaay.net (ainut(at)hiwaay.net)> wrote:[quote] lawsuits.
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[quote] [quote]--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm(at)rapidnet.net> (fvalarm(at)rapidnet.net) I agree, but what to do? Do we as a group embark on mass disobedience with solidarity? Fly our aircraft by the thousands in massive formations over the state Capitol? Or do we continue what we've been doing by just building and flying and gathering at Oshkosh, Sun-n-fun, and so many other shows as a public showing of the size of our numbers. I think so. But surely as we enjoy ourselves, we must be aware of the ground-bound bureaucrats and those they wish to influence below us as they look up with some degree of jealousy. Get out there, build, fly, vote and "talk-up" aviation with all who will listen. Having fun and having the sense of freedom that flying brings is very contagious. Spread it and support those who are spreading it. Bevan RV7A Egg H6 on order --
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