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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Ken,
Do you have the p/n for the white on clear tape? I couldn't find it on
the site given below. My panel is dark grey and white on clear would
work great.
Mark
Don't forget my favourite "white on clear tape"
Looks good on my gray panel although the idea of doing more complex
printer graphics in interesting.
Ken
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As a side note the labeling products like the Brother P-touch line
offer

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white-on-black tapes:
http://www.brothermall.com/accessory detail.asp?mscssid=8C857699C5A5478
88C58

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CEF27C70BD68&sku=TZ335&dept id=167
Tapes of all colors are available in widths up to 3/4". The labelers
can

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"stack" lines across the width of the tape.
Other color combinations offered are black-on-clear, black-on-white,
red-on-white, gold-on-black and black-on-yellow.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


TZ135 is 1/2" white-on-clear, TZ145 is 3/4", I don't see a 1".
You can order from the Brother site below but I don't think their prices are
the best. If you are in a hurry Staples and OfficeMax stock some.
http://www.advizia.com/brother/Advisor.asp?User=tapesacc&Advisor=Sub&CtgID=&
Rnd=227
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:58 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Craig,
Cool, 1/2 & 3/4 should be fine. I'll place an order for some of both.
Much Thanks,
Mark


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:16 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


For one, Tiger Direct has them cheaper than the Brother or Staples sites.
There are probably many more cheap sources on the Internet.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Allow me to amend my previous post. I just learned that Tiger Direct
back-ordered some items on my order until Jan 26th but charged my credit
card for the full amount. I canceled the remaining items in the order and
will never do business with them again.
-- Craig


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Craig...
I think you are mistaken on Tiger Direct's billing/shipping policy.
I have been dealing with them for years, and they have NEVER billed my
credit card until AFTER the item has shipped. My card has often not
been charged until after I received the item, as well.
If they have to ship in several packages, due to back orders or
whatever, only the FIRST item had the total shipping charges...the other
items were billed just their selling price as they came in.
In fact, the last item I bought from them was back ordered for 7 days (a
plasma TV ... still received it in time for the start of the NFL
season!), and they gave me free shipping as!
A friend of mine recently received a new computer, and when he was
billed, the price was LESS than the add due to a price drop between the
time he ordered and the time it shipped.
From the Tiger Direct website:
"We accept VISA, MasterCard, American Express, Discover Card, personal
checks, cashier's checks, PayPal, wire transfers, Bill Me Later, Tiger
Gift Cards and money orders. We DO NOT CHARGE YOUR ACCOUNT until we have
SHIPPED your order!"
I do not work for them or sell to them. I am just a very satisfied
customer of theirs and want to pass on my satisfaction (as well as that
of my many friends who are also satisfied with them).
Harley Dixon
Craig Payne wrote:
Allow me to amend my previous post. I just learned that Tiger Direct
back-ordered some items on my order until Jan 26th but charged my credit
card for the full amount. I canceled the remaining items in the order and
will never do business with them again.
-- Craig


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:19 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


When I first call Tiger Direct to check on the status of my order this was
mentioned in passing. I called support again and asked this specific
question and was told the same thing. The woman I spoke to did not seem at
all surprised when I canceled the remaining portion of the order. When this
transaction and the credit show up on my credit card company's web site I
will confirm this.
-- Craig


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:50 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


I called Tiger Direct a third time and explained what had happened. They
said that my card had *not* been charged for the full amount and were at a
loss to explain why the two previous support people had told me differently.
You can draw whatever conclusion from this you wish.
-- Craig


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


FWIW I had no need for wider than 1/2" and in fact I printed even that
in double lines and cut it in half for quite a few places.
Ken
Mark R Steitle wrote:
Craig,
Cool, 1/2 & 3/4 should be fine. I'll place an order for some of both.
Much Thanks,
Mark
<craig(at)craigandjean.com>
TZ135 is 1/2" white-on-clear, TZ145 is 3/4", I don't see a 1".
You can order from the Brother site below but I don't think their prices
are
the best. If you are in a hurry Staples and OfficeMax stock some.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:12 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Ken,
You're probably right. The 1/2" tape should do fine.
Mark S.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:47 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


With all the talk about tape labels, I'm surprised I never see
anything on Silkscreening your own.
I did a write-up here:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/20051228/index.html
Sorry for the non-RV-10 guys about the other topics, but the
silkscreening approach is really cheap (in my mind) overall if you
want to have a more professional looking panel. I paid
probably just over $100, but I can see it costing many builders
a bit less depending on what they try to do and what ink they
use.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Tim,
Thanks for the link. I agree it looks much better than stickies. Great
looking job. I searched the web months ago and didn't find anything
showing how to do silkscreening yourself. Can you recommend a web link
or two where I can read more about it?
Mark


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Mark,
Sorry, but I don't know of any do-it-yourself links. Come to think
of it, mine is the only one I know of that was home-done.
I learned from a master....Stein Bruch. It was easier than
I thought...if you just get the screens, and good thick ink,
it takes all of 10 seconds to learn how to do. Basically,
keep the screen down tight, squeegie on some ink (I dipped
the squeege into ink and then squeegied it across, and that
worked good.)...use firm presure and a good squeege made
for the job, then yank off the screen and if it looks good,
hit it with a heat gun. Not much more to it than that.
If a builder was REALLY prepared, you could have a large screen
made and do the whole panel at once, adding registration marks where
screw holes are and things. That way it would be a one-shot
pass. But, in the end, I think it's probably easier/better for
a home builder to just do it one word or small section at a time.
Oh, and you can tape off the areas that you don't want to put down.
Then you can have different things on your screen close
together but still not screen them.
Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Tim,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think I'll give it a shot. I'll
try doing the artwork on TurboCad v10 that I just received yesterday. I
know it well enough to do simple artwork and lettering. What font did
you use?
Thanks,
Mark


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


My drawings were done using Visio. I just used Arial 10 and 12 PT I
think for most things. I would be happy to share my original
files with you if you'd like. I did them in visio, but the
company that did my screens couldn't read a visio file, so
I think I either sent them a word doc with the drawing in it, or
I sent them a large .jpg. I have any of them available for
your viewing if you wish. It might save you some time
if you had visio so you didn't have to recreate.
Tim Olson -- RV-10 #40170
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


You can always "Print" your CAD to PDF, using something like CutePDF
writer and send that file . . .
TDT


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


I would like a copy. Your work looks awesome! I had no idea I could do this
from a laser printer.
Bevan
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Ok, your best bet is the visio version if you want all the detail
and want to manipulate everthing. The biggest benefit is that
it's also the smallest file. There are some labels that I forgot
to add, like TRUTRAK ADI, and CAUTION. You probably wouldn't
want my original for yours anyway....make one with your own
N-Number label on it and stuff.
Just FYI: You don't really do this on your laser printer. You
can print it there, but you really actually just email the
file to the company, and they produce a photo positive printout
from it. Then they use that to photo expose the screen.
So it's reasonably easy to get one custom made for your own
plane.
Small file size (Visio):
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD breakers fuses switches.vsd
Big Word Doc (5Mb):
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD Panel Silkscreen.doc
Big .jpg (5Mb)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/Silkscreen Labels 13 17.jpg
HUGE TIF: (31M)
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/panel/circuits/N104CD Silkscreen 13x17.tif
Also, this file is getting aged now, so some breaker sizes aren't
accurate, fuses might not be, and not all switches are where they
were originally laid out. Things change.
Tim
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


Hi Guys,
Time to come clean here....We're a long way from the masters of this
silkscreening stuff, but we've learned by now "sort of" how to make it work.
Just ask Tim...it takes a little trial and error at first, but when you get
it it looks great! We get the screens made for around $80-$100 (18"x20"
screen) for each panel that we do..you just layout what you want on the
screen indcuding all placards, arrows, registration ,etc.. then send it to
the screen people. Most screen printing places will make screens for a
charge off of a variet of file types/images. Make sure you ask for a higher
density screen mesh (over 250) for the ability to screen nice small point
text and borders.
Then, you get yourself a squeegee and some heavy water based ink and go to
town. There are some things that make go good or bad; Make sure the screen
is down really tight and flat against the panel which will keep the letters
really sharp and clean - if you don't the letters will be fuzzy. Next, make
sure you don't move the screen when your doing the letters, and make sure
you keep the screen steady when you lift it up..no moving sideways or the
image/text will blur. Also, like Tim said just tape off the areas you don't
use at any particular time. Also, try to get a medium density squeegee, not
a really hard one nor a really soft one - Just "medium".
When (If) I get some extra time I'll post a "how to" on my website about
screening on your labels. It's really not that difficult, and the nice
thing is that if you're using a decent ink, you can just wipe it off until
you get it how you like it.
The nice thing about silkscreens is that you can literally draw anything you
want in Visio, Word or whatever and have it show up on your panel in
whatever color you want, including some metallics. Last but not least, the
most important thing is keep the screens clean. Any leftover residue or ink
will make the printing look bad so keep them clean.
Oh, last but not least. DO NOT texture your panels with crinkle paint,
spackle, or other types of rough paint if you intend to screen print them.
It won't work. TurboCAD should work just fine for creating the labels, as
should Visio or almost any other graphics type program.
Just my 2 cents as usual.
Cheers,
Stein
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Instrument Panel Labels Reply with quote


The website lists a product called "laser film". This is film that is
directly printed on in a standard laser printer or copier. I have not
contacted them yet so I don't know what the next step is in getting this
film to a screen printable material. Do you know?
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