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ScottA



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with the drain valve open?
 
Notice any difference?
 
I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:26 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable issue whatsoever.  Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same amount of fuel ??).  But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Thank Ted.
 
I suspect you are not the only one who has left it open – in anticipation of someday doing the same is why I ask <grin>.
 

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I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable issue whatsoever.  Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same amount of fuel ??).  But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Yes.  It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean.  You may notice some popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run up.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Thanks Dennis.
 
Scott
 

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Yes.  It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean.  You may notice some popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run up.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:01 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

I have a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain the sump after shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so power before shutdown.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Ted, when you refer to a "clean kit" is this an after-market item or did
you just fabricate it yourself?

Also, I plan to use a Slick Start instead of the shower of sparks coil.
Does anyone have any experience in fabricating the attachment of the wire
from the Slick Start to the Russian mag? I could use some advice.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:29 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Original "clean kit" was as sold by Kimball Enterprises. I'll email you
a pic of my manifold drain set up later this afternoon or evening Joe.
The drain is my own design after not liking the set up that was on their
originally.

Ted

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Why do you want to change a perfectly functional system? It works and will
work for a VERY long time.
Dennis

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

I'm talking about the "shower of sparks" or starting coil.
Dennis

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Ted,
 
As mentioned, the lower 3 cylinders will be slightly leaner IF you leave the drain valve open when running the engine.  However, this is at low to medium power settings that are at atmospheric pressure or lower MP.  Above 30" will not be leaner as the intake tube pressure is greater than outside the airplane and the fuel/air mixture will flow out the open valve.
 
Sincerely,

Kevin Kimball
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Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Thanks Kevin.  I can't get 30" at Denver's altitude <grin>, let alone after takeoff!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Hi Ted:

would it be possible for you to send me a picture of your clean kit

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Manifold drains Reply with quote

jjejr(at)adelphia.net wrote:
Hi Ted:

would it be possible for you to send me a picture of your clean kit

Jim

Actually how about posting the photo here?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

I'll look at the posting rules / requirements later today Milt. In the
meantime, I'll email you directly.

Ted

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

I need to check into posting pictures here too.

In the mean time here is a link to my drains.

http://www.goflyamoose.com/Picture%20pages/manifold%20drains.html

And my sump pump out.
http://www.goflyamoose.com/Picture%20pages/oil%20sump%20pump.html

Kimball's make a nice kit (this is in their Moose support page but same for
all aircraft)
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/h_support_moose.html

Mine is a variation of the do it yourself kit that I think Dennis originally
had on his site, not sure though.
http://www.goflyamoose.com/PDF%20files/Manifiold%20drains.pdf

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Scott
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would it be possible for you to send me a picture of your clean kit

Jim

Actually how about posting the photo here?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Manifold drains Reply with quote

tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com wrote:
I'll look at the posting rules / requirements later today Milt. In the
meantime, I'll email you directly.

Ted

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Thanks,

I have put your photos on image shack. They can be viewed at the links below.
[img=http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/4771/draincloseup6pp.th.jpg]

[img=http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/91/drainoverview0yx.th.jpg]

[img=http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4927/tcloseup7vv.th.jpg]

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:23 pm    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Rather than fabricating intake drain kits myself, I have found the Kimball
kits to be excellent and therefore order them for all the airplanes that I
assemble and deliver to customers.
Dennis

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

I agree I have a second one with the Kimball kit which is very nice - like
all of their stuff. Much faster install too.

Now that I know I wasted time with my "all down hill" drain I won't make any
changes to this one.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Manifold drains Reply with quote

Thanks for the kind words about our products.  Much appreciated.
 
I thought I would clear up a detail or two in this discussion.  The intake drains have been referred to as "clean kit" when that system is only one component of the clean kit we offer.  Some of you who are new to the M14 and our products may be confused a bit.
 
Our M14 clean kit includes 3 sub kits:
Oil shut off valve with safety switch
Scavenge pump kit
Intake drain kit.
 
Intended use is as follows:
 
End of flight
Shut down engine
Close oil valve
turn scavenge pump on and let run until it skips with air (30 seconds with hot oil)
Turn off pump
Exit airplane
Open intake drain and hang small catch can on open valve
 
Preflight operation
Pull prop through 4 or 5 full revs
remove catch can and close intake drain valve
Get in
Push oil valve cable to full open
Prime and Start engine normally.
 
Sincerely,

Kevin Kimball
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VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
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