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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

I think I posted my first "tie the tail down", "go very easy on the brakes" 

warnings about 6 years ago & have repeated it every so often. RV tail 

draggers WILL, not might, not could, but WILL nose over at high RPM and/or 

C/S prop runups with the proper conditions. RV noseovers, retractable gear 

up & groundlooping a Champ all fall into the category "Those who have & 

those who will". KABONG  Do Not Archive...It's in there several times 

already.



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Why would an airliner be prohibited from using the brakes? Surely, there are

no more tail-dragger airliners around, are there?



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T.gummo(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:36 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

I assume it is the same as for the OV-10.  With reversible props, it could 

back up.  However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip backwards 

over onto its tail.



Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying

Major, USAF Retired

F-4G and OV-10 Pilot

do not archive



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Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Because the airliner can tip over backwards if you apply the brakes after 

using reverse thrust to back up...

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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Flying condition C-47/DC-3's (several), C-46's (CAF's) & of course the Grand 

Canyon "Ford" Tri-Motors all drag a tail wheel. But not sure if any of these 

have the Beta position. KABONG Do Not Archive



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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Ah. Gotit. Very discomforting thing for everyone, huh?

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smokyray(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Tom,

  I didn't know you flew Bronco's, I was in the 27 TASS at George 85-88..I like your N Number...good ole 561st. Anyway, an Alaska Backcountry Pilot taught me years ago to never run-up sitting still, always do it on the takeoff roll. You reduce picking up rocks in your prop and the unfortunate event the RV6 guy experienced. If you have Electronic ignition, a static run-up isn't necessary anyway. It either works or it doesn't.   With practice you can check both ignition systems and the prop in a few seconds on the roll.  A low speed abort is much less expensive than standing your bird on it's nose...

  We do rolling takeoffs in the F16 where there is a FOD hazard as well as the GE F110 will suck golfball sized rocks off the ground and into the intake at Military (full) Throttle. My Rocket will raise the tail at 1400 rpm without full aft stick.  I do a rolling takeoff whenever possible due to my rough home strip conditions anyway.   

Just a thought...



Rob Ray

Tom Gummo <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> wrote:[quote] --> Rocket-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" 



I assume it is the same as for the OV-10.  With reversible props, it could 

back up.  However to stop, if you used the brakes, it would tip backwards 

over onto its tail.



Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II, N561FS, 300 hours flying

Major, USAF Retired

F-4G and OV-10 Pilot

do not archive



http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html



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T.gummo(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Rob,

  

 Looks like our ships passed in the night, i.e., I was at  George AFB from 1980 to 1984 (563rd TFS) then again from 1989 to 1992  (561st TFS).  My OV-10 time (23 TASS) was from 1976 to 1980 at Bergstorm  AFB Texas.  My call sign was Nail 69.

  

 I check my mags at 1600 to 1700 RPM as any higher the tail  wants to come up (stick is back) and I check the prop on takeoff  roll.

  

 Tom

  

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smokyray(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: .Preaching to the choir...again

Cool Tom, great callsign, I was Five Zero. Flew The Viper in PACAF after George and still flying it in the guard 20 years later somehow, (our unit just got back from Iraq) I am blessed. 

  Flew my Rocket to drill this weekend and our maintenence guys were worried the weather front would blow it around outside so they put it indoors next to an F16. I got a pic...

see ya!



RR



Tom Gummo <T.gummo(at)verizon.net> wrote:[quote]       Rob,

  

 Looks like our ships passed in the night, i.e., I was at  George AFB from 1980 to 1984 (563rd TFS) then again from 1989 to 1992  (561st TFS).  My  OV-10 time (23 TASS) was from 1976 to 1980 at Bergstorm  AFB Texas.  My call sign was Nail 69.

  

 I check my mags at 1600 to 1700 RPM as any higher the tail  wants to come up (stick is back) and I check the prop on takeoff  roll.

  

 Tom

  

 do not archive

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