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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


At 07:32 PM 12/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:
I use TurboCAD v.7, for all kinds of designing and what-iffing. The
software will import common AutoCAD formats (.dxf, .dwg) and converts its
native format to these as well. I'm not an engineer, and I found
TurboCAD's learning curve easy to negotiate as a total CAD novice. It came
with a large library of electrical symbols or you can roll your own of
anything you can dream up. You can "group" individual components so that
they act like one entity (for moving, coloring, etc.) or you can "explode"
an entity so that you can modify an individual component. I find it all
easy to do. The program is a full blown 3-D CAD program and I've seen 3-D
renderings that accomplished users have done and they are truly amazing,
but I've never had a need to go there. The program is several versions
down the road from v. 7 by now, but I will not even approach the
capabilities of v.7 in my lifetime. I paid about $60-70 for mine, but v.
10.2 is advertised on-line for $49.
v 9.2 for $19.95.

For the early days of aeroelectric.com, I attempted to keep
all posted AutoCAD drawings in version 12 formats so that a
variety of freeware and shareware cad programs (also posted on
the website) would open, edit, save and print the drawings
I generated.
More recently, I had to forego the time it took to maintain
the growing list of drawings and I dropped that service.
I've had many requests for recommendations on software other
than the expensive AutoCAD for editing my drawings. I've just
ordered TurboCAD off Ebay (v10.2 for $26 post paid) and I'll
test it using the .dwg files off the website as source drawings.
If the tests prove successful, I'll post the results along
with a recommendation for its use with files you can download
from aeroelectric.com (including the complete symbol library
and wirebooks in progress). For those interested in generating
nice drawings for their diagrams, more than half the work is
already done.
Bob . . .

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


A while back (at university, actually), I used a software package from
Express PCB which did PCB layouts, including autorouting. I see they now
have packaged the PCB software with schematic layout. Has anyone else
looked at it. I haven't run the PCB software in 9 years, by from my
recollection, it was pretty slick. I may test drive this stuff (for
schematics) when I get home.
http://www.expresspcb.com/ExpressPCBHtm/Free cad software.htm
Regards,
Matt-
<nuckollsr(at)cox.net>
At 07:32 PM 12/30/2005 -0800, you wrote:
> <jonlaury(at)impulse.net>
>
>I use TurboCAD v.7, for all kinds of designing and what-iffing. The
> software will import common AutoCAD formats (.dxf, .dwg) and converts
> its native format to these as well. I'm not an engineer, and I found
> TurboCAD's learning curve easy to negotiate as a total CAD novice. It
> came with a large library of electrical symbols or you can roll your
> own of anything you can dream up. You can "group" individual
> components so that they act like one entity (for moving, coloring,
> etc.) or you can "explode" an entity so that you can modify an
> individual component. I find it all easy to do. The program is a full
> blown 3-D CAD program and I've seen 3-D renderings that accomplished
> users have done and they are truly amazing, but I've never had a need
> to go there. The program is several versions down the road from v. 7
> by now, but I will not even approach the capabilities of v.7 in my
> lifetime. I paid about $60-70 for mine, but v. 10.2 is advertised
> on-line for $49.
>v 9.2 for $19.95.
For the early days of aeroelectric.com, I attempted to keep
all posted AutoCAD drawings in version 12 formats so that a
variety of freeware and shareware cad programs (also posted on
the website) would open, edit, save and print the drawings
I generated.
More recently, I had to forego the time it took to maintain
the growing list of drawings and I dropped that service.
I've had many requests for recommendations on software other
than the expensive AutoCAD for editing my drawings. I've just
ordered TurboCAD off Ebay (v10.2 for $26 post paid) and I'll
test it using the .dwg files off the website as source drawings.
If the tests prove successful, I'll post the results along
with a recommendation for its use with files you can download
from aeroelectric.com (including the complete symbol library
and wirebooks in progress). For those interested in generating
nice drawings for their diagrams, more than half the work is
already done.
Bob . . .


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


At 10:31 AM 1/3/2006 -0700, you wrote:
A while back (at university, actually), I used a software package from
Express PCB which did PCB layouts, including autorouting. I see they now
have packaged the PCB software with schematic layout. Has anyone else
looked at it. I haven't run the PCB software in 9 years, by from my
recollection, it was pretty slick. I may test drive this stuff (for
schematics) when I get home.
http://www.expresspcb.com/ExpressPCBHtm/Free cad software.htm

Let me know what you think. I have this software. I use
ExpressPCB for 90% of our production ECB needs. the schematic
module is tailored to interface with their ECB layout
module as a schematic capture feature. I wasn't impressed with
their symbol library or final appearance of the drawings . . .
but then it was never intended as a publishing or illustration
tool. Accordingly, the supplied symbols are for board-level
components and one would have to generate a whole new library
for system level components.
Bob . . .

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
Quote:
I've had many requests for recommendations on software other
than the expensive AutoCAD for editing my drawings. I've just
ordered TurboCAD off Ebay (v10.2 for $26 post paid) and I'll
test it using the .dwg files off the website as source drawings.
If the tests prove successful, I'll post the results along
with a recommendation for its use with files you can download
from aeroelectric.com (including the complete symbol library
and wirebooks in progress). For those interested in generating
nice drawings for their diagrams, more than half the work is
already done.
Bob . . .

Bob,
I have successfully used TurboCAD (versions 8 and 10) to import and use
.dwg files from your website. I've also picked up and used .dwg files
from other sites too, again without any problems. I did change some
text styles, line widths and shading/cross hatching to suite my own
drawing style, but the basic geometry import was good. TurboCAD can
read and write several other formats other than its own native .tcw
files. The ones of most interest to CAD users are probably .dwg
(AutoCAD) and .dxf (Drawing eXchange Format).
TurboCAD is published by IMSI: http://www.imsisoft.com/
I am using it for the panel mechanical layout and electrical system
design. No financial interest in the company, just a satisfied user.
Steve
RV-6A builder


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:12 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


Matt: here's a complete schematic in ExpressSCH for a typical
aircraft, plus a symbol library that has many of B&C's switches etc.
http://vx-aviation.com/page 3.html
Vern Little
do not archive
Matt Prather wrote:
A while back (at university, actually), I used a software package from
Express PCB which did PCB layouts, including autorouting. I see they now
have packaged the PCB software with schematic layout. Has anyone else
looked at it. I haven't run the PCB software in 9 years, by from my
recollection, it was pretty slick. I may test drive this stuff (for
schematics) when I get home.
http://www.expresspcb.com/ExpressPCBHtm/Free cad software.htm
Regards,
Matt-


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


Quote:

Bob,
I have successfully used TurboCAD (versions 8 and 10) to import and use
.dwg files from your website. I've also picked up and used .dwg files
from other sites too, again without any problems. I did change some
text styles, line widths and shading/cross hatching to suite my own
drawing style, but the basic geometry import was good. TurboCAD can
read and write several other formats other than its own native .tcw
files. The ones of most interest to CAD users are probably .dwg
(AutoCAD) and .dxf (Drawing eXchange Format).
TurboCAD is published by IMSI: http://www.imsisoft.com/
I am using it for the panel mechanical layout and electrical system
design. No financial interest in the company, just a satisfied user.

Very good! Thank you for that input. There you go folks. $22 for a
"real" CAD program and megabytes of plug-n-nearly-play work product.
The guy advertising V10 on Ebay seems to have a lot of them. Goto
http://ebay.com and search on 7208329279
Bob . . .


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


Has anyone tried or used DesignWorks Lite? It is a circuit
documentation program. The link is:
http://www.capilano.com/html/dwml.html
They have a version for both Mac and Windows and is free for 30 days,
then $40 to register. I'd like to hear comments from anyone who
might have used it.
On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
Quote:
I've had many requests for recommendations on software other
than the expensive AutoCAD for editing my drawings. I've just
ordered TurboCAD off Ebay (v10.2 for $26 post paid) and I'll
test it using the .dwg files off the website as source drawings.

Steve Thomas
SteveT.Net
steve(at)stevet.net
805-569-0336 Office


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


Bob- are you also storing builders' wirebooks as references of completed
designs? My entire system is on a series of R-14 generated dwgs and I'd be happy
to "donate", space providing... I know of quite a few others (Kevin Horton
for example) who did excellent work and offered theirs for perusal by other
builders on their own websites.
Mark Phillips - do not archive


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


Sweet!
$16. for v10 plus $7. to mail to Canada which means no additional tax or
brokerage and he takes VISA!
And it looks an upgrade to v10.2 is available off the IMSI site.
The A9cad freeware also views the Z figures just fine although I never
figured out how to "connect" wires to terminals.
I really like the Excel method but symbol building is slow and a bit
flakey on my version .
thanks Bob and Steve
Ken
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


I've had very good luck with QuickCad, which has now been acquired by
AutoCad. It was about $100 at CompUSA, probably available cheaper
online. I've imported and manipulated the dwg files without problems.
William Slaughter


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


In a message dated 01/04/06 3:00:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,
aeroelectric-list-digest(at)matronics.com writes:
Matt: here's a complete schematic in ExpressSCH for a typical
aircraft, plus a symbol library that has many of B&C's switches etc.
http://vx-aviation.com/page 3.html
Vern,
When I try to open your symbol library it says it's not an ExpressSCH file.
Stan Sutterfield


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


On 1/3/06 2:33 PM, "Steve Thomas" <lists(at)stevet.net> wrote:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Wiring Diagrams Design Software Reply with quote


I've had no problem labeling anything with DesignWorks Lite.
You can use up to 4 characters to label any pin on any component by
right-clicking, going to Device Info, and then Pin Info. For anything
longer than 4 characters, just use the text control to add text anywhere.
Example:
http://www.davemorris.com/Photos/Dragonfly%20Electrical/N75UP-Schematic-CenterSwitchPanel.pdf
Note I was able to label all switch pins and all connector pins.
Dave Morris
At 12:21 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote:
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On 1/3/06 2:33 PM, "Steve Thomas" <lists(at)stevet.net> wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried or used DesignWorks Lite? It is a circuit
> documentation program. The link is:
>
> http://www.capilano.com/html/dwml.html
>
> They have a version for both Mac and Windows and is free for 30 days,
> then $40 to register. I'd like to hear comments from anyone who
> might have used it.
>
I have just tried using this software. It was unable to label the pins on
dsub units which was my first requirement for this type software. After
paying the $39, and communicating with them three times, they have been of
no help. I therefore can't endorse this program. Lory Ghertner
>
> On Jan 3, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
>> I've had many requests for recommendations on software other
>> than the expensive AutoCAD for editing my drawings. I've just
>> ordered TurboCAD off Ebay (v10.2 for $26 post paid) and I'll
>> test it using the .dwg files off the website as source drawings.
>
> Steve Thomas
> SteveT.Net
> steve(at)stevet.net
> 805-569-0336 Office
>
>
>


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