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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:23 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

If I can’t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

Thanks for any ideas

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:48 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

Wouldn’t it be better to replace the connector shell? They’re inexpensive.

On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Ron Burnett <ronburnett(at)charter.net> wrote:



I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

If I can’t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

Thanks for any ideas

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:00 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

Alex,

I thought about that but then I would have to extract all the pins. Don’t seem to have much luck with Radio Shack extractors.

Maybe only solution.

Thanks,

Ron Burnett

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On Jul 2, 2019, at 7:37 PM, Alec Myers <alec(at)alecmyers.com> wrote:



Wouldn’t it be better to replace the connector shell? They’re inexpensive.



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I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

If I can’t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

Thanks for any ideas

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:10 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

I can probably get that out out for you, Ron. Give me a call

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I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

If I can’t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

Thanks for any ideas

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:47 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

I imagine that your problem is that you now cannot grip the female pin from the rear.
Insert the extraction tool and push with a male pin into the female pin and that should push the female pin out with the tool
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

Art,

I can fly the plane this way. I can fly somewhere to meet you after the 4th. M71 where I am based is inconvenient.
Your skills have far exceeded mine.
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I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

If I can’t Extract it, is there a way to solder the wire back into the crimped female pin?

Thanks for any ideas

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:00 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

Mike,

Will give it a try when I can. Sounds like it might work. Ashamed I didn’t think of it.
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[quote] On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:45 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com> <mike(at)vision499.com> wrote:



I imagine that your problem is that you now cannot grip the female pin from the rear.
Insert the extraction tool and push with a male pin into the female pin and that should push the female pin out with the tool
Hope this helps


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:01 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

Ron,
I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. Smile
First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.
Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. See http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf
After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.
Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.
Cheers,
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I managed to have a wire pull out of its crimped female pin which is still in the #14 slot in  a 25 pin D-sub. Have had no luck with Radio Shack extracting tool.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

At 07:37 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:
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Wouldn’t it be better to replace the connector shell? They’re inexpensive.

Agreed. Also, consider acquiring one of these
tools:

Specs at:

https://tinyurl.com/y272xsku


You can buy replacement tips from Digikey too



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:07 pm    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

So the real question I have is what were the circumstances under which the wire came out of the pin. What kind of pins and what kind of crimped did you use?

When crimped and strain relieffed properly these are pretty strong. My concern is that if one came out are others to follow because of improper crimping. To be certain, I would give each Eire a tug.

I only use machined males and females and have replaced off brand with AMP BRAND MACHINED PINS/sockets. Perhaps that is my paranoia speaking

Rich

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[quote] On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:45 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com> <mike(at)vision499.com> wrote:



I imagine that your problem is that you now cannot grip the female pin from the rear.
Insert the extraction tool and push with a male pin into the female pin and that should push the female pin out with the tool
Hope this helps


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:23 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:
Quote:
Ron,

I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. Smile

First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.

Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. See http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf

After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.

Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.

When extracting a female pin that
has become detached from its
wire can be pushed out from the
mating side with another female
pin.

The plastic handled tools have two
ends, one tailored for extraction . . .
the other for insertion. They are
identified by the color of the plastic
handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes
that speaks to the details.

https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

Unless and until the extraction
tool is properly seated around
the installed pin, the retaining
barbs in the housing remain in
firm control of the pin.








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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:53 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:28 AM Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:

Quote:
At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:
Quote:
Ron,

I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. Smile

First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.

Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. See http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf

After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.

Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.

  When extracting a female pin that
  has become detached from its
  wire can be pushed out from the
  mating side with another female
  pin.

  The plastic handled tools have two
  ends, one tailored for extraction . . .
  the other for insertion. They are
  identified by the color of the plastic
  handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes
  that speaks to the details.

https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

  Unless and until the extraction
  tool is properly seated around
  the installed pin, the retaining
  barbs in the housing remain in
  firm control of the pin.








  Bob . . .
Heads-up; the 'click here' for more info link  in the last frame just goes to your site search page. Also, the price of the tool has gone up a bit...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:02 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

At 07:06 PM 7/3/2019, you wrote:
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So the real question I have is what were the circumstances under which the wire came out of the pin. What kind of pins and what kind of crimped did you use?

When crimped and strain relieffed properly these are pretty strong. My concern is that if one came out are others to follow because of improper crimping. To be certain, I would give each Eire a tug.

I only use machined males and females and have replaced off brand with AMP BRAND MACHINED PINS/sockets. Perhaps that is my paranoia speaking

good points. to be sure the open-barrel
formed sheet metal pins are more susceptible
to failures of tooling and technique.

Pins marketed under the mil spec numbers
are low risk . . . as are most of the
commercial clones.

https://tinyurl.com/y5ttnnrh

https://tinyurl.com/y6o6n98d

What gage wire are we talking about?

Did the wire pull out or break off?
If pulled out, it's a sure bet that
it was under-crimped . . . hard to
do with a ratchet 4-die tool . . .
unless it was a really too-small
wire.

When putting 24-26 AWG into a D20
pin, I double over the stranding.
As a design rule, I very rarely use
anything smaller than 22AWG for
any purpose . . . disadvantages
far outweigh the advantages.




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:48 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

I must plead guilty as I set this up to happen. I added a GRT Sport after OSH 2 years ago and ran an unbundled wire to the new unit. Then after last OSH I added UAT Echo/Safe-fly. Had always planned to run more wires to the second unit but haven’t figured it all out yet, so the serial port crossover that fed ADBS and the second screen was the culprit and broken wire at the female pin. I pulled the main EFIS and it was hanging by the wires. Marines call all this a self inflicted wound, but it is still a wound.

I am also guilty of loving to fly more than work on the panel, especially in the summer heat.
Thanks to this list and Bob for all the helpful advice.
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On Jul 4, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
Quote:
At 07:06 PM 7/3/2019, you wrote:
Quote:
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: A R Goldman <argoldman(at)aol.com (argoldman(at)aol.com)>

So the real question I have is what were the circumstances under which the wire came out of the pin. What kind of pins and what kind of crimped did you use?

When crimped and strain relieffed properly these are pretty strong. My concern is that if one came out are others to follow because of improper crimping. To be certain, I would give each Eire a tug.

I only use machined males and females and have replaced off brand with AMP BRAND MACHINED PINS/sockets. Perhaps that is my paranoia speaking

good points. to be sure the open-barrel
formed sheet metal pins are more susceptible
to failures of tooling and technique.

Pins marketed under the mil spec numbers
are low risk . . . as are most of the
commercial clones.

https://tinyurl.com/y5ttnnrh

https://tinyurl.com/y6o6n98d

What gage wire are we talking about?

Did the wire pull out or break off?
If pulled out, it's a sure bet that
it was under-crimped . . . hard to
do with a ratchet 4-die tool . . .
unless it was a really too-small
wire.

When putting 24-26 AWG into a D20
pin, I double over the stranding.
As a design rule, I very rarely use
anything smaller than 22AWG for
any purpose . . . disadvantages
far outweigh the advantages.




Bob . . .


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

My problem has been the extractor tool I have will not slip over the female pin. I have tried until I am ashamed.

Ron Burnett

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On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
Quote:
At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:
Quote:
Ron,

I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. Smile

First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.

Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. See http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf

After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.

Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.

When extracting a female pin that
has become detached from its
wire can be pushed out from the
mating side with another female
pin.

The plastic handled tools have two
ends, one tailored for extraction . . .
the other for insertion. They are
identified by the color of the plastic
handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes
that speaks to the details.

https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

Unless and until the extraction
tool is properly seated around
the installed pin, the retaining
barbs in the housing remain in
firm control of the pin.








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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

I bought two metal pin extraction tools at the local auto parts store, in the aviation department.
On 7/4/2019 1:50 PM, Ron Burnett wrote:

Quote:
My problem has been the extractor tool I have will not slip over the female pin.  I have tried until I am ashamed. 

Ron Burnett 

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On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:


Quote:
At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:
Quote:
Ron,

I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. Smile

First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.

Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. See http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf

After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.

Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.

  When extracting a female pin that
  has become detached from its
  wire can be pushed out from the
  mating side with another female
  pin.

  The plastic handled tools have two
  ends, one tailored for extraction . . .
  the other for insertion. They are
  identified by the color of the plastic
  handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes
  that speaks to the details.

https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

  Unless and until the extraction
  tool is properly seated around
  the installed pin, the retaining
  barbs in the housing remain in
  firm control of the pin.








  Bob . . .



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:16 am    Post subject: Pin extract problem Reply with quote

The red and white pin tool has an insertion end (red) and an extraction end (white). Sometimes it is difficult to get the white one on a socket. In that case I have had good luck using the insertion tool to do the extraction.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 12:07 Lyle Peterson <lyleap(at)centurylink.net (lyleap(at)centurylink.net)> wrote:

Quote:

I bought two metal pin extraction tools at the local auto parts store, in the aviation department.
On 7/4/2019 1:50 PM, Ron Burnett wrote:

Quote:
My problem has been the extractor tool I have will not slip over the female pin.  I have tried until I am ashamed. 

Ron Burnett 

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On Jul 4, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:


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At 09:00 PM 7/2/2019, you wrote:
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Ron,

I'm done mowing the lawn now so I'm allowed to sit down at my laptop and type a real reply to you. Smile

First, use one of the extraction tools made out of metal. If your Radio Shack tool is all plastic, it is much harder to get the job done and it might not work at all.

Slide the extraction end of the tool around the pin. That is the more round end. The insertion end is more open, more like a spoon. See http://www.steinair.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SAT-023-CONTACT-INSERTION-REMOVAL-TOOL.pdf

After the tool clicks home, grab the pin itself with tweezers or small needle nose pliers and push the pin out. If the tool is in place and has compressed the barbs, the pin will slide out with minimal force. If the pin doesn't slide out, remove the tool, rotate it 90 degrees or so, and try again.

Or give me a holler and I'll drive over and do it for you.

  When extracting a female pin that
  has become detached from its
  wire can be pushed out from the
  mating side with another female
  pin.

  The plastic handled tools have two
  ends, one tailored for extraction . . .
  the other for insertion. They are
  identified by the color of the plastic
  handle. Here's an updated AEC ShopNotes
  that speaks to the details.

https://tinyurl.com/oazfwbc

  Unless and until the extraction
  tool is properly seated around
  the installed pin, the retaining
  barbs in the housing remain in
  firm control of the pin.








  Bob . . .




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