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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.
Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 5:06 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

Mike:
To test the Shower Of Sparks -
Disconnect the Starter.
You can do this easily by pulling the control wire to the Starter Relay.
This way you can activate the Shower Of Sparks (SOS) and LISTEN for the BUZZ and SAFELY not have to worry about a spinning prop.
You can also remove the spark plug wire from each of the spark plugs.
Do you want to check out the Mag and the Spark Plug wires as well as the SOS?
If so here is another TRICK!
Go to a automotive store and get the Clear Plastic Spark Plug test light...  It has a Neon bulb inside.  
You hook up the test light to the wires.
Re-Connect the control wire on the starter relay and CRANK AWAY.
You will see a longer time duration to  the spark than if there was NO SOS.
And, it will be a nice bright light. Again as compared to a standard Impulse Mag.

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I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it
​Barry - I never had a over heating problem.  I would guess and easy Minute.​
 
Quote:

2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.
​Barry - A standard Blueish Spark of Longer Duration.​
 
Quote:

3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.
​Barry - See above.


​Best  of  Luck,​
Barry​
 
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Thanks

Mike


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:52 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

What is being used as a "shower of sparks" for the LOM engine?

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I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.


Thanks

Mike


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 7:09 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

The standard LOM supplied shower of sparks module that is described on one of Bob’s Z diagrams, I have it at the hangar so cannot remember the diagram number.

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What is being used as a "shower of sparks" for the LOM engine?


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I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.
Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

Mike, the induction vibrator (AKA starter vibrator) wired to the left Magneto start circuit oscillates at 200Hz, so it simply causes lots of sparks (at a rate of 200 per second, rather than one spark) every time a plug is fired. The 22-25 deg advance breaker is grounded in favour of the retard breaker firing at TDC to avoid kickback. It’s hard to harm the starter vibrator and you’d be hard pressed to see sparks at a rate of 200Hz, but the engine (especially a six) is a whole lot easier to start when the circuit is working!

Stu

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I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.


Thanks

Mike


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

Thank you very much for the help,

The spark plug test light worked like a charm, thanks for the good idea

Keep well

Mike

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Mike:



To test the Shower Of Sparks -

Disconnect the Starter.

You can do this easily by pulling the control wire to the Starter Relay.

This way you can activate the Shower Of Sparks (SOS) and LISTEN for the BUZZ and SAFELY not have to worry about a spinning prop.

You can also remove the spark plug wire from each of the spark plugs.

Do you want to check out the Mag and the Spark Plug wires as well as the SOS?

If so here is another TRICK!

Go to a automotive store and get the Clear Plastic Spark Plug test light... It has a Neon bulb inside.

You hook up the test light to the wires.

Re-Connect the control wire on the starter relay and CRANK AWAY.

You will see a longer time duration to the spark than if there was NO SOS.

And, it will be a nice bright light. Again as compared to a standard Impulse Mag.




On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:32 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
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I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

​Barry - I never had a over heating problem. I would guess and easy Minute.​


Quote:


2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

​Barry - A standard Blueish Spark of Longer Duration.​


Quote:


3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.

​Barry - See above.

​Best of Luck,​



Barry​


Quote:

Thanks

Mike
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:53 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

Mike:
You are quite welcome.  
Did you notice how long the spark lasted?
Way longer than just a Mag spark.
Easy test.
Barry


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:19 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
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Thank you very much for the help,
 
The spark plug test light worked like a charm, thanks for the good idea
 
Keep well
 
Mike
 
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Mike:

 

To test the Shower Of Sparks -

Disconnect the Starter.

You can do this easily by pulling the control wire to the Starter Relay.

This way you can activate the Shower Of Sparks (SOS) and LISTEN for the BUZZ and SAFELY not have to worry about a spinning prop.

You can also remove the spark plug wire from each of the spark plugs.

Do you want to check out the Mag and the Spark Plug wires as well as the SOS?

If so here is another TRICK!

Go to a automotive store and get the Clear Plastic Spark Plug test light...  It has a Neon bulb inside.  

You hook up the test light to the wires.

Re-Connect the control wire on the starter relay and CRANK AWAY.

You will see a longer time duration to  the spark than if there was NO SOS.

And, it will be a nice bright light. Again as compared to a standard Impulse Mag.

 

 
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:32 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)>

I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

​Barry - I never had a over heating problem.  I would guess and easy Minute.​

 
Quote:


2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

​Barry - A standard Blueish Spark of Longer Duration.​

 
Quote:


3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.

​Barry - See above.
 
​Best  of  Luck,​

 

Barry​

 
Quote:

Thanks

Mike
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:05 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

Tested my spark again to-day with the Neon spark plug tester.

With the Shower of sparks disconnected I could not see a flash in the neon but it was in very bright light.

With the Shower of Sparks connected I could  see a very strong flash in the neon bulb, assumed all is good.
Will attempt first engine start in the next few weeks and wiil report back

Thanks again

Mike




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Mike:



You are quite welcome.



Did you notice how long the spark lasted?

Way longer than just a Mag spark.

Easy test.



Barry



On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:19 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
Quote:

Thank you very much for the help,

The spark plug test light worked like a charm, thanks for the good idea

Keep well

Mike

From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of FLYaDIVE
Sent: May 15, 2018 6:05 PM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks

Mike:



To test the Shower Of Sparks -

Disconnect the Starter.

You can do this easily by pulling the control wire to the Starter Relay.

This way you can activate the Shower Of Sparks (SOS) and LISTEN for the BUZZ and SAFELY not have to worry about a spinning prop.

You can also remove the spark plug wire from each of the spark plugs.

Do you want to check out the Mag and the Spark Plug wires as well as the SOS?

If so here is another TRICK!

Go to a automotive store and get the Clear Plastic Spark Plug test light... It has a Neon bulb inside.

You hook up the test light to the wires.

Re-Connect the control wire on the starter relay and CRANK AWAY.

You will see a longer time duration to the spark than if there was NO SOS.

And, it will be a nice bright light. Again as compared to a standard Impulse Mag.




On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:32 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
Quote:

--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)>

I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

​Barry - I never had a over heating problem. I would guess and easy Minute.​


Quote:


2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

​Barry - A standard Blueish Spark of Longer Duration.​


Quote:


3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.

​Barry - See above.

​Best of Luck,​



Barry​


Quote:

Thanks

Mike
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Shower of Sparks Reply with quote

Excellent Mike,
Best of luck.
Barry
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:04 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
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Tested my spark again to-day with the Neon spark plug tester.
 
With the Shower of sparks disconnected I could not see a flash in the neon but it was in very bright light.
 
With the Shower of Sparks connected I could  see a very strong flash in the neon bulb, assumed all is good.
Will attempt first engine start in the next few weeks and wiil report back
 
Thanks again
 
Mike
 
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks

 
Mike:

 

You are quite welcome.  

 

Did you notice how long the spark lasted?

Way longer than just a Mag spark.

Easy test.

 

Barry

 
 
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 11:19 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
Quote:

Thank you very much for the help,
 
The spark plug test light worked like a charm, thanks for the good idea
 
Keep well
 
Mike
 
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Sent: May 15, 2018 6:05 PM
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com (aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Shower of Sparks
 
Mike:

 

To test the Shower Of Sparks -

Disconnect the Starter.

You can do this easily by pulling the control wire to the Starter Relay.

This way you can activate the Shower Of Sparks (SOS) and LISTEN for the BUZZ and SAFELY not have to worry about a spinning prop.

You can also remove the spark plug wire from each of the spark plugs.

Do you want to check out the Mag and the Spark Plug wires as well as the SOS?

If so here is another TRICK!

Go to a automotive store and get the Clear Plastic Spark Plug test light...  It has a Neon bulb inside.  

You hook up the test light to the wires.

Re-Connect the control wire on the starter relay and CRANK AWAY.

You will see a longer time duration to  the spark than if there was NO SOS.

And, it will be a nice bright light. Again as compared to a standard Impulse Mag.

 

 
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:32 PM, <mike(at)vision499.com (mike(at)vision499.com)> wrote:
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I have installed a LOM engine with a Shower of Sparks,

1. How long can I safely keep the unit on (buzzing) while testing it

​Barry - I never had a over heating problem.  I would guess and easy Minute.​

 
Quote:


2. When I turn the motor over and ground the plug to the engine what type of spark or sparks should I expect.

​Barry - A standard Blueish Spark of Longer Duration.​

 
Quote:


3. Are there any other tests that I can perform.

​Barry - See above.
 
​Best  of  Luck,​

 

Barry​

 
Quote:

Thanks

Mike
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