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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:51 am    Post subject: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/17 Reply with quote

I would like to also offer my condolences and prayers to the family. It's
hard to comment on these things that happen, especially before the findings
from the NTSB.

But I would like to make one comment. I went on YouTube and looked at the
videos of the plane that are posted and I noticed that in the videos the
plane had no shoulder harnesses. A 45 degree angle as mentioned on this
thread is hard to survive, but in the stories printed on the accident, it
seems the pilot did not immediately pass on impact. Seeing the wings and
tail did not leave the plane, I am just wondering out loud: could shoulder
harnesses have saved his life? For me, after seeing this, I am installing 4
point harnesses in my plane.

Joe


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/17 Reply with quote

Hi Joe;
Hi All;
For whatever it's worth, I removed the three point harness supplied by the kit manufacturer and installed a four point in my Zodiac 601-XLB.
Cheers! Stu.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:06 am    Post subject: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/17 Reply with quote

A witness stated that “the plane came in at a 45 degree angle”. But did he mean a 45 degree descent or at a 45 degree angle to the road? Without knowing the knowledge level of the witness, it’s har to tell. The crash site is what you’d expect after a steep descent but the plane did hit trees just before it hit the ground. At first glance, this accident appears to be a case of VFR into IMC followed by controlled flight into terrain, but that's just a guess at this point. That is one of the deadliest types of crashes. Seat belts and shoulder harnesses help in low speed impacts, but not so much in the high speed impacts associated with CFIT.
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But I would like to make one comment. I went on YouTube and looked at the
videos of the plane that are posted and I noticed that in the videos the
plane had no shoulder harnesses. A 45 degree angle as mentioned on this
thread is hard to survive, but in the stories printed on the accident, it
seems the pilot did not immediately pass on impact. Seeing the wings and
tail did not leave the plane, I am just wondering out loud: could shoulder
harnesses have saved his life? For me, after seeing this, I am installing 4
point harnesses in my plane.



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:22 pm    Post subject: Zenith601-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/17 Reply with quote

Hello Joe,

Human body will survive only limited Gs...

Anything above it is fatal, harness or not...

Falling objects (out of control) increases the speed and Gs extreamly fast. Read about how much impact Gs the human organs survive, some fail fast (brain passes away for proteccion), lungs get perforated probably with the force of the harness breaking the ribs)... probably the hearth can be the last one to stop)...

Sorry for the pilot and family...

Gary

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I would like to also offer my condolences and prayers to the family. It's

hard to comment on these things that happen, especially before the findings

from the NTSB.

But I would like to make one comment. I went on YouTube and looked at the

videos of the plane that are posted and I noticed that in the videos the

plane had no shoulder harnesses. A 45 degree angle as mentioned on this

thread is hard to survive, but in the stories printed on the accident, it

seems the pilot did not immediately pass on impact. Seeing the wings and

tail did not leave the plane, I am just wondering out loud: could shoulder

harnesses have saved his life? For me, after seeing this, I am installing 4

point harnesses in my plane.

Joe

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