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kirk bellard

Joined: 31 Mar 2016
Posts: 13
Location: breaux bridge la

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 4:20 am Post subject: contoured seats

Any suggestions on light weight contoured seats that won't break the bank?  Every time I fly for a couple hours my back hurts for a couple weeks, or maybe I just need to improve my landings lol

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1669
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 5:00 am Post subject: Re: contoured seats

Very comfortable.

http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/FSII%20seat%20page.html

Not too complex to make, requires some welding skills.

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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:13 am Post subject: contoured seats

Very comfortable.

http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/FSII%20seat%20page.html

Not too complex to make, requires some welding skills.



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Richard Pike

 



Richard P/Kolbers:



We did something similar to Richards seat when we were building Miss P'fer,

my MKIII, back in 1991.  The Ultrastar seat was a plastic waiting room chair

seat.  I was scrounging around in the attic of Homer Kolb's barn, Kolb

Aircraft Company, and discovered two US seats.  Brother Jim welded up the

seat frames and we were in business.



I went a little further with my seat using a trick learned from the JAARS

(Jungle Aviation and Radio Service).  One of their pilots had become

paralyzed when the Heliocourier he was flying stalled and crashed on short

final to a jungle airstrip.  When the aircraft pan caked in, he was driven

down through the 4130 steel seat frame.  To remedy that they installed a

sheet metal pan under the seat.  I followed suit.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

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Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 3:49 am Post subject: contoured seats

To remedy that they installed a

sheet metal pan under the seat.  I followed suit.>.



Good thinking John,

It was a long time ago but i am pretty sure that the Light Aircraft 

Association under whose rules my Extra was built insisted on a metal pan 

under the seat,plus I think,  some pretty stiff rubber shock absorbent 

material.



Pat



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Sun May 15, 2016 5:33 am Post subject: contoured seats

To remedy that they installed a

sheet metal pan under the seat.  I followed suit.>.



Good thinking John,

It was a long time ago but i am pretty sure that the Light Aircraft

Association under whose rules my Extra was built insisted on a metal pan

under the seat,plus I think,  some pretty stiff rubber shock absorbent

material.



Pat

 



Patrick L/Kolbers:





I take no credit for the idea.  That belongs to the JAARS Bible translators.



Many years ago at Sun and Fun, I was looking at the JAARS Heliocourier,

serial number 1.  First thing I saw was the chromoly tube seat frame legs

were "Z'd" to collapse during a crash.  Then one of the JAARS pilots pointed

out the seat pan and shared the story of the crash that paralyzed their

friend.



Heliocouriers and Kolbs have slow flight characteristics in common.  Would

have made a neat aircraft to do my long cross country flights in.  I could

have slept in the aircraft like an RV.  But, I could hardly afford to feed

the 912, much less that hungry Heliocourier.  Besides, it was more

satisfying doing it in something I built in my  basement.



I never liked the idea of flying on a fabric seat.  Especially crashing on a

fabric seat.  I can think of many ways to get injured during a crash.  I had

a hard seat in my Firestar.  First a Ken Brock seat tank, then a jon boat

fishing seat someone gave me.  I went with the seat tank to increase my fuel

capacity for cross country flights.  It increased my fuel, but cut down on

available space for my camping gear.  I had to sling load my sleeping bag

between the main gear legs.  We then built an 18 gal 5052 aluminum fuel tank

that fit the area up top and behind the bulkhead.  That opened up the bottom

where the plastic tank was located.  The plastic seat allowed more room

behind and under the seat, and the sleeping bag got stowed inside the

aircraft.  Worked well, but the 5 rib wing was being overloaded and

overworked.  Not good.  I took care of compensating for extra weight and

stress when I built the MKIII.  Much more comfortable feeling when one gets

caught in nasty weather.  The MKIII has survived much better than me.  



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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racerjerry

Joined: 15 Dec 2009
Posts: 202
Location: Deer Park, NY

Posted: Mon May 16, 2016 4:38 am Post subject: Re: contoured seats

 	  kirk bellard wrote: 	
		  Any suggestions on light weight contoured seats that won't break the bank?  Every time I fly for a couple hours my back hurts for a couple weeks, or maybe I just need to improve my landings lol 	


You probably could use a commercial contoured back support cushion on your present seat.  For a low budget test, tape a small pillow in place on your seat so that it is located at the small of your back (just above butt) to see if proper support helps - I am sure it will.   I have a perfect (for me) back support that I use my car, bought in a discount store and would love to buy a second one if I could find it again.  I carved my own foam seat back for my Firestar II to get the best fit & support.

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mojavjoe

Joined: 23 Dec 2013
Posts: 64

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:43 pm Post subject: contoured seats

From: mojavjoe(at)comcast.net

To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 6:58:56 PM

Subject: Re: Re: contoured seats

Kerk

I found some aluminum patio sling chairs (powder coated steel will work, just heaver) at Home Depot. Cut off the legs and in my case I narrowed them by  first removing the cloth (it's held in by a spline inside a pocket sown into the cloth that's slipped through a channel in the frame) cutting out a section of each cross member by 2", inserting 3/8 x 4" steel tubes and riveting them back together. The cloth for the seat can be narrowed by sowing a pocket or as I did fold the cloth in the proper place crease it lay the spline against the fold and thread it back into the channel. I used 2" aluminum angle to make hooks for the upper seat bar. The lower seat cross member is slipped  behind the lower seat bar with the ends of the seat frame sitting on top held in place with a s/s pipe clamp. I find this seat very comfortable and it's much lighter than any other seat frame I know of. Hope this is of value to you.

Joe

From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>

To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00:48 AM

Subject: Re: contoured seats

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>

Very comfortable.

http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/FSII%20seat%20page.html

Not too complex to make, requires some welding skills.

--------

Richard Pike

Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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mojavjoe

Joined: 23 Dec 2013
Posts: 64

Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:48 pm Post subject: contoured seats

Kerk

here are the two attachments I couldn't send in my first email

Joe



From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>

To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00:48 AM

Subject: Re: contoured seats

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>

Very comfortable.

http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/FSII%20seat%20page.html

Not too complex to make, requires some welding skills.

--------

Richard Pike

Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Would you consider yourself to be a good person?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A

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Posted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:41 pm Post subject: contoured seats

One thing to remember about Kolb seats - if you ever have to deploy a BRS, you will still be coming down pretty fast. Donâ€™t want your spine to poke out of the top of your head!Good to have a metal pan in the seat or some serious cushioning under it

Russ 



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		  On May 24, 2016, at 7:42 PM, mojavjoe(at)comcast.net (mojavjoe(at)comcast.net) wrote:

From: mojavjoe(at)comcast.net (mojavjoe(at)comcast.net)To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 6:58:56 PMSubject: Re: Re: contoured seats

Kerk



I found some aluminum patio sling chairs (powder coated steel will work, just heaver) at Home Depot. Cut off the legs and in my case I narrowed them by  first removing the cloth (it's held in by a spline inside a pocket sown into the cloth that's slipped through a channel in the frame) cutting out a section of each cross member by 2", inserting 3/8 x 4" steel tubes and riveting them back together. The cloth for the seat can be narrowed by sowing a pocket or as I did fold the cloth in the proper place crease it lay the spline against the fold and thread it back into the channel. I used 2" aluminum angle to make hooks for the upper seat bar. The lower seat cross member is slipped  behind the lower seat bar with the ends of the seat frame sitting on top held in place with a s/s pipe clamp. I find this seat very comfortable and it's much lighter than any other seat frame I know of. Hope this is of value to you.



Joe



From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00:48 AMSubject: Re: contoured seats

--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>

Very comfortable.http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/FSII%20seat%20page.htmlNot too complex to make, requires some welding skills.

--------Richard PikeKolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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