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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.

Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do?  Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA?  I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:35 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with another person?

John
Hamilton Ontario,Canada.

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I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.

Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

My views also, give the shop a chance.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

Ditto, here.
I have at least two people a month that come in and want me to correct
another shop's screw up.
Well, guess what? Frequently it is the person complaining that has no clue,
or in some cases, the "other" shop did just exactly what the customer wanted.
I try not to involve myself in these matters unless they are irresolvable.
My first suggestion is to go back, or call the shop, and see if this can reach
an amicable solution
I would also want the opportunity to review the issues of an unhappy customer from my shop.
We are not infallible, although some might disagree.

If this is in an experimental aircraft, and you wish to improve the oiling, take it to a
racing engine shop, and have it crossdrilled. (and while apart, have it balanced)
Archie

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

let me guess, it was either Dick Waters ao his son Donnie George......

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-- Hopperdhh(at)aol.com wrote:

I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.

Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice." It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do? Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA? I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

Dan,

Approach the shop politely... As if assuming it’s an honest mistake, which it could be. Even if it is not so, the shop would probably prefer to exchange crankshafts and make the engine good, rather than risk the FAA nosing around, and other possible legal consequences.

When you are right, most of the time it’s better to knock gently at the door first, keeping the big sticks in reserve in case the first knock is met with lack of common sense. And then, if you find out you are dealing with a fool rather than with a misguided gentleman, hit hard and decisively!

Regards

Philip Chollet


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I recently had to tear down my 200 hp IO-360-C1E6 engine that I bought through Ebay about 3 years ago from a small reputable (I thought) Florida shop.

This engine was sold to me as a certified engine "overhauled to new limits". It looked very good on the outside. Inside, I found several quality issues. The most glaring one was that the crankshaft was from a left turning LIO-360.

Using a left turning crank in a right turning engine puts the oil hole that feeds oil to the rod bearings in the worst possible place according to Taylor in "The Internal Combustion Engine in Theory and Practice."  It is located in the area of highest force which limits the amount of oil which can reach the bearing, and it reduces the bearing area of the crankshaft where it is needed most.

I have been told that using this crank in a right turning certified engine is illegal according to the FAA. My question is what should I do?  Should I approach the shop, get an attorney, or go directly to the FAA?  I can't afford to run up a large legal bill, but I would like to at least get the proper crankshaft for the engine I paid good money for.

Dan Hopper
Walton, IN
RV-7A


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

John gave the best advice I've ever seen on this forum.
Stan Sutterfield
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IO-390 is hanging
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Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight
on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical
first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with
another person?
 
John
Hamilton Ontario,Canada


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

Stan,

I agree. I replied to him personally and thanked him.  Everyone has said essentially the same thing, so that is the approach that I'll take.

Thanks to all,

Dan




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John gave the best advice I've ever seen on this forum.
Stan Sutterfield
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IO-390 is hanging
Do not archive

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Why assume they are not reputable so quickly?It might have been an honest oversight
on their part.Calling them first and explaining the problem seems the logical
first step.Does litigation need to precede a one on one conversation with
another person?

John
Hamilton Ontario,Canada


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Illegal Crankshaft Question Reply with quote

Yes, he did.
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