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Jeff Linebaugh

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 48
Location: Collierville, TN

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: AYS-bound

Yakers going to Waycross...

  

 I am looking to leave Memphis at noon on Thursday.  Anybody want to link up?  Form X/C much more fun than solo...

  

 Also...weather looks 50/50 at best for me getting back on Sunday...what's everybody's take on the weather?

  

 Linedog

  

  

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Collierville, TN

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: AYS-bound

Linedogg,

 You are correct on the weather for Sunday. There as you know is another front pushing in after this one today.

 Doc

  

 



  

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david(at)mcgirt.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: AYS-bound

There is a group of us meeting up in LaGrange,  GA around noon on   

Thursday, then flying down together..  Tim Williams, Robert Langford,   

BJ, Bill Walker, and a few more I think...  You are welcome to crash   

the party..  self-serve gas there too..  

   

David McGirt  

Yak 52 TW  

   

         

  

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh

 Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:50 AM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics. com

 Subject: AYS-bound  

  

              

Yakers going to Waycross...   

      

    

      

I am looking to   leave Memphis   at noon on Thursday.  Anybody want to link up?  Form X/C much more   fun than solo...   

      

    

      

Also...weather   looks 50/50 at best for me getting back on Sunday...what's everybody's take   on the weather?   

      

    

      

Linedog   

      

    

      

    

                           

                

                

                

        

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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: AYS-bound

Looks like this front  that's coming though AL today will be out of the AYS area by Wed.  afternoon.  Saturday at AYS may be a wash-out due to a low out near the  Rockies.  We'll be near  the center of that low, midday  Saturday,  between a warm front to our east and a cold front to our  west.  IF its a slow mover, Sunday will be iffy particularly anyone heading  NE.

  

 Chief Prognosticator  Jim "Pappy" Goolsby  :-/

jsfox(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: AYS-bound

On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:37 AM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		    Looks like this front that's coming though AL today will be out of the AYS area by Wed. afternoon.  Saturday at AYS may be a wash-out due to a low out near the Rockies.  We'll be near  the center of that low, midday Saturday,  between a warm front to our east and a cold front to our west.  IF its a slow mover, Sunday will be iffy particularly anyone heading NE.

  

 Chief Prognosticator Jim "Pappy" Goolsby  :-/

	




It's Sunday's WX that's messing me up since I have to be in NY on Monday AM. So if this pattern holds sadly AYS may be a no go this year.



 Steve "SOB" Fox

Yak 52

N3043R

http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: AYS-bound

Guys,

 We are in the southeastern winter 3 day front cycle now. What ever is happening on the west coast today will be here is 3 days. This front that is pushing thru Montgomery today will pass AYS tomorrow. Should have reasonable weather Fri and Sat/Sun become iffy. Pappy's right.

 My Guard drill days were moved from the first weekend in Jan to 21-22. It is a manadatory weekend also so I can't miss. So I'm a bust for AYS this year.

 But all should start thinking of Red Air Fall Fling II in Oct! Probably the name will change to Red Air Oktoberfeast! Since we have so many Oct babies in the southeastern RPA membership.  I know, got to get past S&F and OSH first. There's rumbings of a May Feast but the details are still iffy right now. 

 Really should think of moving AYS back to Mar or latter Feb. The weather is still iffy even then. I know it is getting close to S&F with wanting to get some of the students carded.

 Good luck with AYS this year, 

 Dogmatic Viperdoc

  

 



  

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: AYS-bound

Talon,

 You out to have your fill of close by the time you get to AYS from LaGrange! Between Linedogg and Mongoose, you ought to have your 4 ship knocked out along with your 2 ship element rejoins and wing work. Just need your form TO and you'll be there! 

 Ain't like rout'n in the weeds with a Hornet though! 

 Dogmatic Viperdoc

  

 



  

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cpayne(at)joimail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Steve wrote:

 >It's Sunday's WX that's messing me up since I have to be in NY on  

 	  Quote: 	
		  Monday AM. So if this pattern holds sadly AYS may be a no go this year.

Steve "SOB" Fox

 >

 Now here's a case where a Yakker needs a CJ...one of those super CJ's with M-14PF, long range fuel and full glass. Just file for FL180 and depart with de-ice on, auto-pilot engaged , and oxygen mask at the ready :>)

 Craig Payne

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Craig,

 You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact you meet Weasle when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the centerline that Stu has, tip tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks on pylons from Dennis. 

 Fights on. Again!

 Dogmatic Viperdoc

  

 



  

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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Roger Kemp wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you

 meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact

 you meet Weasle when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is

 extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the

 back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the centerline that Stu has, tip

 tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks on pylons from Dennis.

 Fights on. Again!

 Dogmatic Viperdoc


	


Yo Dog! (I like that.)



I took my CJ with the Huosai to 180 doing time-to-climb testing. (I did

it twice.) No problem. Lots of climb left but I didn't want to file IFR

to keep going plus the nasal canulas are not certified for ops above 180.



I would expect a Yak-52 to be able to go to 200. HP=climb. I would

expect the CJ to go higher on the same engine tho'. Better aerodynamics

and a higher aspect ratio wing should make a difference up there.



-- 

Brian Lloyd                         2243 Cattle Dr.

brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

_________________
Brian Lloyd
brian-yak at lloyd dot com
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Ever see those high  altitude WW2 gun camera films?  The P-51s with the slightly higher  aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s.  No steep angles of  bank up there.  Makes me think that once again the CJ would woop some ass  up there too!  Speed below - lift above.

  

 "Oh give me a CJ-6  A

 And send me into the  fray.

 With guns and  panache

 I'll kick any  ass.

 Yes! give me a CJ-6  A."

  

 Pappy

  

 Roger Kemp wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   You really do not want to start this. I know  a YAK-52 driver that you

 meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at  FL200. As a matter of fact

 you meet Weasle when we operated out of his  hanger. Yep, all you need is

 extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at  this time. Can opt for the

 back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the  centerline that Stu has, tip

 tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks  on pylons from Dennis.

 Fights on. Again!

 Dogmatic  Viperdoc


	


Yo Dog! (I like that.)



I took my CJ with the Huosai to  180 doing time-to-climb testing. (I did

it twice.) No problem. Lots of climb  left but I didn't want to file IFR

to keep going plus the nasal canulas are  not certified for ops above 180.



I would expect a Yak-52 to be able to go  to 200. HP=climb. I would

expect the CJ to go higher on the same engine tho'.  Better aerodynamics

and a higher aspect ratio wing should make a difference  up there.



-- 

Brian Lloyd                          2243 Cattle Dr.

brian-yak at  lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA  95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)              +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny  of petty things . . .

- Antoine de  Saint-Exupery

brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   */Ever see those high altitude WW2 gun camera films?  The P-51s with the

 slightly higher aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s.  No

 steep angles of bank up there.  Makes me think that once again the CJ

 would woop some ass up there too!  Speed below - lift above./*

 *//* 

 */"Oh give me a CJ-6 A/*

 */And send me into the fray./*

 */With guns and panache/*

 */I'll kick any ass./*

 */Yes! give me a CJ-6 A."/*


	


Oh yes, give me a break!



Pappy, I am going to have to come over there a whoop ass on you if you

don't stop pickin' on those Yak-52 kids! They're nice kids and they have

a nice airplane too. Din't yo' mama larn you to talk nice and git along?



-- 

Brian Lloyd                         2243 Cattle Dr.

brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Brian,

If I were going to operate continuous above FL 150, I would install a

diluter demand regulator, a O2 tank in the instrument bay, a CRU-6O and an 

aviators 02 mask. Also, if I were going to climb to >FL2OO- 250 , I would

pre-breath 100% 02 for 20 minutes. Just because my old fat self is at

higher risk for nitrogen narcosis.

That is assuming I intended to remain at attitude for a XC > 30 min. to 1

hour or so. you already know the instruments needed for IFR(at) FL's. as you

say staying below FL18 does not require filing IFR. Only if you want to get

over some stuff, would you want to file IFR. you are going to want that

down filled Flight Suit at those FL's this time of year. Actually, you

would want them in the summer to if you plan on staying up therein that

air-ish YAK of mine!

Dogmatic Viperdoc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak(at)lloyd.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/17/2006 3:47:14 PM

 Subject: Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound

 Roger Kemp wrote:

 > You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you

 > meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact

 > you meet Weasle when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is

 > extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the

 > back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the centerline that Stu has, tip

 > tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks on pylons from Dennis.

 > Fights on. Again!

 > Dogmatic Viperdoc

 Yo Dog! (I like that.)

 I took my CJ with the Huosai to 180 doing time-to-climb testing. (I did

 it twice.) No problem. Lots of climb left but I didn't want to file IFR

 to keep going plus the nasal canulas are not certified for ops above 180.

 I would expect a Yak-52 to be able to go to 200. HP=climb. I would

 expect the CJ to go higher on the same engine tho'. Better aerodynamics

 and a higher aspect ratio wing should make a difference up there.

 -- 

 Brian Lloyd                         2243 Cattle Dr.

 brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

 - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Like I Said, Fight's on - Fight's on!

DVD

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak(at)lloyd.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/17/2006 4:23:09 PM

 Subject: Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound



 



 cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

 > */Ever see those high altitude WW2 gun camera films?  The P-51s with the

 > slightly higher aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s.  No

 > steep angles of bank up there.  Makes me think that once again the CJ

 > would woop some ass up there too!  Speed below - lift above./*

 > *//* 

 > */"Oh give me a CJ-6 A/*

 > */And send me into the fray./*

 > */With guns and panache/*

 > */I'll kick any ass./*

 > */Yes! give me a CJ-6 A."/*



 Oh yes, give me a break!



 Pappy, I am going to have to come over there a whoop ass on you if you

 don't stop pickin' on those Yak-52 kids! They're nice kids and they have

 a nice airplane too. Din't yo' mama larn you to talk nice and git along?



 -- 

 Brian Lloyd                         2243 Cattle Dr.

 brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

 - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 6:18 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Roger Kemp wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Brian,

 If I were going to operate continuous above FL 150, I would install a

 diluter demand regulator, a O2 tank in the instrument bay, a CRU-6O and an

 aviators 02 mask. 


	


Well, you can do that if you like. It wastes O2 compared to a pulse

demand regulator like Mountain High's or Nelson's but, what the hey, O2

is cheap ... to the military.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Also, if I were going to climb to >FL2OO- 250 , I would

 pre-breath 100% 02 for 20 minutes. Just because my old fat self is at

 higher risk for nitrogen narcosis.


	


Working on our physiology are we? Let's see -- nitrogen narcosis, aka

"rapture of the deep," comes from a *higher* partial pressure of N2

dissolved in nervous tissue. You don't get narc'd when you go up, only

down, as in SCUBA. When the dissolved N2 comes out of the tissues as the

pressure drops you get decompression illness, otherwise known as "the

bends".



 	  Quote: 	
		   That is assuming I intended to remain at attitude for a XC > 30 min. to 1

 hour or so. 


	


Well, given how long it takes to get up there I not particularly worried

unless I have been SCUBA diving. No flying within 24 hours of any

decompression diving. Other than that, no big if we are going to be

working at 250 and below. If I were going to be pressure breathing O2 at

420 I would start to worry about it.



 	  Quote: 	
		   you already know the instruments needed for IFR(at) FL's. 


	


You need instruments? Whoa dude, awesome! I play keyboards myself.



 	  Quote: 	
		   as you

 say staying below FL18 does not require filing IFR. Only if you want to get

 over some stuff, would you want to file IFR. 


	


Let's see, there was this beautiful woman and I am still trying to get

over her. Now I know that filing IFR will help.



 	  Quote: 	
		   you are going to want that

 down filled Flight Suit at those FL's this time of year. Actually, you

 would want them in the summer to if you plan on staying up therein that

 air-ish YAK of mine!


	


You know what Dog? Been there, done that. I wear my long johns,

fleece-lined flight jacket, and warmie socks. No problems, even in winter.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Dogmatic Viperdoc


	


-- 

Brian Lloyd                         2243 Cattle Dr.

brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: AYS-bound

Brian,

 Best check again on the nitrogen Narcosis thing at altitude It happens. 

It is called decompression sickness. The treatment for it is recompression

in a dive chamber. I  have had to fly two military aviators to the chamber

one at Brooks, AFB and the other was at Beale AFB. Both  had to be flown

with the cabin pressurized to sea level because of the risk of worsening

the decompression sickness. One of those pilots was my Squadron cc. He had

a gradual cabin pressure leak due to a slow leaking canopy seal. 

There are two ways to get the "Bends."  One is from decompression and the

other is from compression. In either case, N2 comes out of solution in

blood. It  coleses into gas bubbles in the tissue. Most commonly in an

injured joint. It also can happen in the spinal cord, brain (neurological

nitrogen narcosis), and the pulmonary tree. (the chokes). That is putting

it in simple terms.

In otherwords, every time you take that unpressurised twin above FL 180,

you are at risk for for developing the "bends".

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak(at)lloyd.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/17/2006 8:18:01 PM

 Subject: Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound

 Roger Kemp wrote:

 > 

 > 

 > Brian,

 > If I were going to operate continuous above FL 150, I would install a

 > diluter demand regulator, a O2 tank in the instrument bay, a CRU-6O and

an

 	  Quote: 	
		   > aviators 02 mask. 

 Well, you can do that if you like. It wastes O2 compared to a pulse

 demand regulator like Mountain High's or Nelson's but, what the hey, O2

 is cheap ... to the military.

 > Also, if I were going to climb to >FL2OO- 250 , I would

 > pre-breath 100% 02 for 20 minutes. Just because my old fat self is at

 > higher risk for nitrogen narcosis.

 Working on our physiology are we? Let's see -- nitrogen narcosis, aka

 "rapture of the deep," comes from a *higher* partial pressure of N2

 dissolved in nervous tissue. You don't get narc'd when you go up, only

 down, as in SCUBA. When the dissolved N2 comes out of the tissues as the

 pressure drops you get decompression illness, otherwise known as "the

 bends".

 > That is assuming I intended to remain at attitude for a XC > 30 min. to

1

 	  Quote: 	
		   > hour or so. 

 Well, given how long it takes to get up there I not particularly worried

 unless I have been SCUBA diving. No flying within 24 hours of any

 decompression diving. Other than that, no big if we are going to be

 working at 250 and below. If I were going to be pressure breathing O2 at

 420 I would start to worry about it.

 > you already know the instruments needed for IFR(at) FL's. 

 You need instruments? Whoa dude, awesome! I play keyboards myself.

 > as you

 > say staying below FL18 does not require filing IFR. Only if you want to

get

 	  Quote: 	
		   > over some stuff, would you want to file IFR. 

 Let's see, there was this beautiful woman and I am still trying to get

 over her. Now I know that filing IFR will help.

 > you are going to want that

 > down filled Flight Suit at those FL's this time of year. Actually, you

 > would want them in the summer to if you plan on staying up therein that

 > air-ish YAK of mine!

 You know what Dog? Been there, done that. I wear my long johns,

 fleece-lined flight jacket, and warmie socks. No problems, even in winter.

 > Dogmatic Viperdoc

 -- 

 Brian Lloyd                         2243 Cattle Dr.

 brian-yak at lloyd dot com          Folsom, CA 95630

 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

 - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

L39parts(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:46 am Post subject: AYS-bound

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nitrogen%20narcosis



nitrogen narcosis

n.

  A condition of confusion or stupor resulting from increased levels of 

dissolved nitrogen in the blood, as that occurring in deep-sea divers 

breathing air under high pressure.

      Source: The American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary

      Copyright © 2002, 2001, 1995 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by 

Houghton Mifflin Company.

Main Entry: nitrogen narcosis

Function: noun

: a state of euphoria and exhilaration that occurs when nitrogen in normal 

air enters the bloodstream at approximately seven times atmospheric pressure 

(as in deepwater diving) called also rapture of the deep

      Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, 

Inc.

nitrogen narcosis



n : confused or stuporous state caused by high levels of dissolved nitrogen 

in the blood; "deep-sea divers can suffer nitrogen narcosis from breathing 

air under high pressure"





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