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sajdds(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: Starting the -52 in cold weather

You do keep the outside clean but I bet your mother would slap your hand if she looked inside the cowling!  

       

[i]Steve Johnson[/i]  

[i]Yak 52[/i]  

[b]N9900X[/b]  

  

  

   

           

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		                          This is not a problem for the Fox boys. Our mother taught us - never        put it away dirty!

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BitterlichMG(at)cherrypoi
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: Starting the -52 in cold weather

I have followed that same procedure since  day one Dennis, except on the 50 the primer handle is turned to the left.   

  

 That said, Sergei Boriak recently advised me  of the procedure he has used for years (and came up with by himself) and it is  sorta different from anything anyone else has posted, so I will repeat it here  for review and comment.  Everyone knows Sergei well enough to know how  smart he is when it comes to these airplanes and engines.  

  

 First, prime about 4-6 good shots and then  ALWAYS pull the prop through a few times.  

 Get back in and prime some more (amount  depending on temp).  

 Turn prime handle to cylinder prime side  (right on 52, left on 50).  Do not pull it out at this point.   

 Leave throttle closed.  Completely  closed.  Never pump the throttle.  

 Turn MAGS on to position one.  (This is  really new)

 Crank engine and when it fires switch MAGS  to both.  

 Turn primer handle back to neutral and if  engine starts to falter turn it back to prime.  No pumping unless really  necessary.  You may have to pump some at first, but once engine is running,  use the "turn it back and forth" method to enrich engine as necessary to keep it  running, and then back off again.  Everyone should understand that merely  turning the prime handle to the cylinder prime side enriches the engine quite a  bit even without pumping.  

  

 The idea to the above is very  interesting.  The Starting Doubler Coil wll be firing the cylinders through  the retarded rotor leg but... the other mag will ALSO be firing through the  standard timing leg on the rotor.  Thus you will be getting two sets of  firing pulses.  One plug retarded one plug normal.  

  

 I heard the above and considered it with  gross prejudice (against).  After all, it was contrary to everything I have  ever read, or have ever done.  I am not a rookie starting  M-14's.   Then I watched Sergei perform this starting method on a 30  degree day in his Sukhoi 31.  Then in a YAK-52.  

  

 It worked perfectly.  Hmmm.    

  

 I tried it myself.  It takes a little  getting used to, but it does indeed work. Very well as a matter of  fact.  

  

 Mark Bitterlich

 N50YK

  

  

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gus.fraser(at)gs.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Starting the -52 in cold weather

Totally with you on that  Mark Sergei Prolagayev told me the same with the SP. It has separate switches  for each mag so without a third hand it is tough to start without switching the  mags on before starting. Works like a charm, another thing is that it may be  just me but starts seem a lot better with the champion conversion in, of course  that may have something to do with the cruddy old leads I used to have fitted.  Anyone else seen an improvement with the Dennis champion conversion  ?

  

 On starting these  engines, in NJ we have the two lock rule. An aircraft on the ground for more  than 24 hours is required to be protected by two locks. We had a state trooper  at the airport a while ago and he asked me where my locks were. I had them of  course but could not resist "I tell you what, if you can start it you can have  it." Just treat the unwillingness to start as a security feature, chances are it  will be where you left it.

  

 BTW Dennis, great job on  the conversion kit it kicks.

  

 Gus



 [quote]         From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich    GS11 Mark G

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:47 PM

To:    'yak-list(at)matronics.com'

Subject: RE: Starting the -52 in    cold weather

   

   I have followed that same procedure since    day one Dennis, except on the 50 the primer handle is turned to the    left.  

    

   That said, Sergei Boriak recently advised    me of the procedure he has used for years (and came up with by himself) and it    is sorta different from anything anyone else has posted, so I will repeat it    here for review and comment.  Everyone knows Sergei well enough to know    how smart he is when it comes to these airplanes and engines.     

    

   First, prime about 4-6 good shots and then    ALWAYS pull the prop through a few times.  

   Get back in and prime some more (amount    depending on temp).  

   Turn prime handle to cylinder prime side    (right on 52, left on 50).  Do not pull it out at this point.     

   Leave throttle closed.  Completely    closed.  Never pump the throttle.  

   Turn MAGS on to position one.  (This    is really new)

   Crank engine and when it fires switch MAGS    to both.  

   Turn primer handle back to neutral and if    engine starts to falter turn it back to prime.  No pumping unless really    necessary.  You may have to pump some at first, but once engine is    running, use the "turn it back and forth" method to enrich engine as necessary    to keep it running, and then back off again.  Everyone should understand    that merely turning the prime handle to the cylinder prime side enriches the    engine quite a bit even without pumping.  

    

   The idea to the above is very    interesting.  The Starting Doubler Coil wll be firing the cylinders    through the retarded rotor leg but... the other mag will ALSO be firing    through the standard timing leg on the rotor.  Thus you will be getting    two sets of firing pulses.  One plug retarded one plug normal.     

    

   I heard the above and considered it with    gross prejudice (against).  After all, it was contrary to everything I    have ever read, or have ever done.  I am not a rookie starting    M-14's.   Then I watched Sergei perform this starting method on a 30    degree day in his Sukhoi 31.  Then in a YAK-52.  

    

   It worked perfectly.     Hmmm.   

    

   I tried it myself.  It takes a little    getting used to, but it does indeed work. Very well as a matter of    fact.  

    

   Mark Bitterlich

   N50YK

    

    

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BitterlichMG(at)cherrypoi
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: Starting the -52 in cold weather

EVERY SINGLE AIRCRAFT THAT I KNOW THAT HAS  USED THE AUTOMOTIVE SPARK PLUG AND WIRE CONVERSION KIT SOLD BY DENNIS HAS RUN  BETTER AFTERWARDS.  

  

 The above is in CAPS because it amounts to  the cheapest and best bang for the buck improvement to the M-14 engine that I am  aware of.   No, it is not in my own engine yet, but it WILL be.   The change PAYS FOR ITSELF after one or two spark plug changes.   

  

 Sergei has it, as well as Hubie  Tolson.  

  

 Mark Bitterlich

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jsfox(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Starting the -52 in cold weather

Gus -

Like you, Dennis's conversion has made life better all around. Starts easier, seems to run a bit smoother and no plug fouling on long warm ups or having to sit forever on a taxi way waiting on traffic.



Steve

On Feb 23, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Fraser, Gus wrote:

[quote]Totally with you on that Mark Sergei Prolagayev told me the same with the SP. It has separate switches for each mag so without a third hand it is tough to start without switching the mags on before starting. Works like a charm, another thing is that it may be just me but starts seem a lot better with the champion conversion in, of course that may have something to do with the cruddy old leads I used to have fitted. Anyone else seen an improvement with the Dennis champion conversion ?

 

On starting these engines, in NJ we have the two lock rule. An aircraft on the ground for more than 24 hours is required to be protected by two locks. We had a state trooper at the airport a while ago and he asked me where my locks were. I had them of course but could not resist "I tell you what, if you can start it you can have it." Just treat the unwillingness to start as a security feature, chances are it will be where you left it.

 

BTW Dennis, great job on the conversion kit it kicks.

 

Gus

[quote]From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11 Mark GSent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:47 PMTo: 'yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)'Subject: RE: Starting the -52 in cold weather



I have followed that same procedure since day one Dennis, except on the 50 the primer handle is turned to the left. 

 

That said, Sergei Boriak recently advised me of the procedure he has used for years (and came up with by himself) and it is sorta different from anything anyone else has posted, so I will repeat it here for review and comment.  Everyone knows Sergei well enough to know how smart he is when it comes to these airplanes and engines. 

 

First, prime about 4-6 good shots and then ALWAYS pull the prop through a few times. 

Get back in and prime some more (amount depending on temp). 

Turn prime handle to cylinder prime side (right on 52, left on 50).  Do not pull it out at this point. 

Leave throttle closed.  Completely closed.  Never pump the throttle. 

Turn MAGS on to position one.  (This is really new)

Crank engine and when it fires switch MAGS to both. 

Turn primer handle back to neutral and if engine starts to falter turn it back to prime.  No pumping unless really necessary.  You may have to pump some at first, but once engine is running, use the "turn it back and forth" method to enrich engine as necessary to keep it running, and then back off again.  Everyone should understand that merely turning the prime handle to the cylinder prime side enriches the engine quite a bit even without pumping. 

 

The idea to the above is very interesting.  The Starting Doubler Coil wll be firing the cylinders through the retarded rotor leg but... the other mag will ALSO be firing through the standard timing leg on the rotor.  Thus you will be getting two sets of firing pulses.  One plug retarded one plug normal. 

 

I heard the above and considered it with gross prejudice (against).  After all, it was contrary to everything I have ever read, or have ever done.  I am not a rookie starting M-14's.   Then I watched Sergei perform this starting method on a 30 degree day in his Sukhoi 31.  Then in a YAK-52. 

 

It worked perfectly.  Hmmm.  

 

I tried it myself.  It takes a little getting used to, but it does indeed work. Very well as a matter of fact.  

 

Mark Bitterlich

N50YK

 

 

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