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john(at)ballofshame.com
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 Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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You're spot on, as usual, Bob. What gets me is that there are already
regulations that cover installation of unapproved components (as you
pointed out)...something to the effect of it can't be "permanently wired"
into the aircraft, or something like that. The move to make illegal the
manufacture of devices that could potentially be used to install something
in an aircraft is bizarre.
re: user fees
What's the old saying about the government taxing air if it could figure
out a way to do it?
-John
www.ballofshame.com
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<nuckollsr(at)cox.net>
At 09:52 AM 2/2/2007 -0800, you wrote:
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>#1 As far as I know, this is still a free country and the FAA has
>absolutely no authority over what a company may or may not produce. How
>are they doing to tell Digikey they can no longer make connectors and
>Garmin that they can no longer offer wiring for boats, for example.
>Assinine.
You're correct. Further, they have no jurisdiction over what
you want to bolt to your TC airplane . . . 'cause if it's not
approved, the airplane is no longer airworthy. Put daylight
under the wheels and while they probably won't shoot you
down, they might well be waiting for you when you get back!
>#2 We're experimentals and can install a blender in the instrument panel
>if we wanted to. There's no requirement that anything is TSO'd, or
>anything else.
Yup, under the present paradigms. However, the majority of the modern
light aircraft fleet are OBAM machines. They will soon be the
majority of the total fleet. It's axiomatic that many folks
within various organizations (congress, FAA, state and local
governments, etc) are salivating over the idea of bringing
all these "loose cannons in US airspace" under the benevolent
guidance of those who claim credit for aviation's current
levels of safety. "We need more rules to write and more
bureaucrats to hire".
Don't forget, a small fraction of registered voters in this
country even vote. When they do vote, it's more likely
to be an expressing of appreciation for promises over which the
candidate has no control. A few hundred folks in Washington
have absolute control over our future and their ears are
NOT attuned to voices teaching the principles of simple-ideas,
liberty and honorable behavior in a democratic republic.
Bob . . .
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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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How many people will die because they decide the hassle and expense of
installation a GPS and docket isn't worth the bother---and then suffer
extreme termination because weather radar, terrain, metars, situational
awareness and other information that a GPS puts at our finger tips is
not available. When FAA conjures up rules like this, they aren't always
just obstructionists, sometimes they end up adding to the NTSB stats in
a murderous way.
Chuck Jensen
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mprather(at)spro.net
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: FAA MAY TAKE AWAY PANEL-MOUNT OPTION FOR PORTABLE GPS |
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I agree Randy.. In fact I recently read an NTSB report about a (I think)
172 that crashed in IFR conditions while executing an approach in (I
think) North Carolina. If I recall, the airplane actually did have the
required equipment on board but interviews with people not involved with
the crash indicated that the pilot was using some kind of PDA based
navigator.
Another possibility is that it would be obvious to assume that since the
average handheld GPS _usually_ works better* than the average ADF or NAV
receiver, people might start using handheld GPS's to navigate and shoot
approaches while in actual conditions and just forgoe the $pendy
equipment.
I suppose that the FAA might figure out what you were doing if you landed
out of the soup and an inspector ramp checked you and found that you
didn't have any legal nav equipment. "Hey, so, how did you just execute
that flight, sir?" I suspect this has happened at least once.
So, the FAA can read the NTSB reports, see what people are getting dinged
for on RAMP checks and guess what people might be doing based on what
capabilities certain devices have..
It sounds like your position is that something shouldn't be illegal unless
they can show that people are actually exhibiting a certain undesirable
behavior. I think I agree. In this case, I think the FAA can probably
show instances of the rule breakers.
Regards,
Matt-
* better in some ways and not others...
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<sales(at)6440autoparts.com>
There are cops checking for speeders and know who they are.
How
does the FAA know who is using non certified equipment for flying vor
radials ? And are they flying these radials with the gps just for
situational awareness while using they're nav for primary, just as all the
company's that sell these non cerified units reccomend ? If they are
flying
the non cert gps as primary how would these rule breakers be sought out ?
The only way I can think of is by ntsb reports stating that as a cause. If
there are no reports stating this how would the FAA get thier info ? Bill
I'm not trying to raise an argument, but I don't see how these dreaded
rebel
"rule breakers", whoever they are, can be blamed for the FAA coming up
with
new rules against portable gps's. Please explain I am at a loss.
Randy
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