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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: NASA and the Electrostatic (ESD) monkey... |
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At 01:42 PM 11/19/2006 -0600, you wrote:
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Very well said. However, you might be preaching to the choir here  .
As most of my working life has been for, and in, gov't., I can relate 100%
and do attest that everything you say is true.
If you try to fix it, regardless of your personal grade (rank), you are
called Don Quixote and subsequently ignored.
David M.
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I have absolutely no illusions about fixing anything.
My personal heros are those who figured out work-arounds
for accomplishing personal goals and let those mired
in their own tar pits extract themselves to join you
or live with the alternatives. It isn't JUST government.
However, government is the obvious role model for many in industry.
I'm watching a small company I used to work for being
strangled by managers suffering from what appears to be
ignorance of what it takes to bring new products into
existence. To them, the creative minds in their engineering
departments are plug-n-play commodities that one acquires
by publishing the right ads and filtering applicants through
the HR selection process.
Actually, much of my experience with government (Pt. Mugu Missiles
guys) was really quite pleasant. They were sharp, knowledgable folk
who knew their jobs, understood my job and were never an impediment
to progress. The FAA is an entirely different matter and I'm sure
NASA (for understandable reasons) is far worse yet.
That's why it takes the likes of Burt Rutan and crew to go do
the spectacular thing first on 1/10th the budge and staff with
a high probability of success right out of the box! He, and the
people who work with him set their own standards for getting it
done right as professional goals. They don't need the work rules
either for guidance or excuses.
Bob . . .
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ainut(at)hiwaay.net
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: NASA and the Electrostatic (ESD) monkey... |
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Remember too, that since the gov't wages are so low, essentially the
personnel are also the lowest bidder. People who try to make things
work for the country are quickly shut down.
One thing I did accomplish while there was to save us nearly $18 M over
the course of 5 years, simply by adopting new technology. I worked in
an Army R&D group for many years. Let me tell you some of the worlds
brightest were there, BUT the constraints they had to work with choke
all creativity. At first I was a contractor so I did it anyway. Then,
when I was hired direct, I could literally feel the walls of the cages
coming down. Back in the late 80's, for example, to buy 1 or 100
desktop pc's required nearly $12,000 in overhead on the gov't side.
Also, the place was extremely top heavy in order to keep up with
congressional and pentagon bullshit paperwork overhead. I lovd the
challenges, though.
David M.
just call me Mr. Quixote
Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
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<nuckollsr(at)cox.net>
At 01:42 PM 11/19/2006 -0600, you wrote:
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> Very well said. However, you might be preaching to the choir here .
>
> As most of my working life has been for, and in, gov't., I can relate
> 100% and do attest that everything you say is true.
>
> If you try to fix it, regardless of your personal grade (rank), you
> are called Don Quixote and subsequently ignored.
>
> David M.
I have absolutely no illusions about fixing anything.
My personal heros are those who figured out work-arounds
for accomplishing personal goals and let those mired
in their own tar pits extract themselves to join you
or live with the alternatives. It isn't JUST government.
However, government is the obvious role model for many in industry.
I'm watching a small company I used to work for being
strangled by managers suffering from what appears to be
ignorance of what it takes to bring new products into
existence. To them, the creative minds in their engineering
departments are plug-n-play commodities that one acquires
by publishing the right ads and filtering applicants through
the HR selection process.
Actually, much of my experience with government (Pt. Mugu Missiles
guys) was really quite pleasant. They were sharp, knowledgable folk
who knew their jobs, understood my job and were never an impediment
to progress. The FAA is an entirely different matter and I'm sure
NASA (for understandable reasons) is far worse yet.
That's why it takes the likes of Burt Rutan and crew to go do
the spectacular thing first on 1/10th the budge and staff with
a high probability of success right out of the box! He, and the
people who work with him set their own standards for getting it
done right as professional goals. They don't need the work rules
either for guidance or excuses.
Bob . . .
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echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: NASA and the Electrostatic (ESD) monkey... |
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David M. wrote:
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Remember too, that since the gov't wages are so low, essentially the
personnel are also the lowest bidder. People who try to make things
work for the country are quickly shut down.
One thing I did accomplish while there was to save us nearly $18 M
over the course of 5 years, simply by adopting new technology. I
worked in an Army R&D group for many years. Let me tell you some of
the worlds brightest were there, BUT the constraints they had to work
with choke all creativity. At first I was a contractor so I did it
anyway. Then, when I was hired direct, I could literally feel the
walls of the cages coming down. Back in the late 80's, for example,
to buy 1 or 100 desktop pc's required nearly $12,000 in overhead on
the gov't side. Also, the place was extremely top heavy in order to
keep up with congressional and pentagon bullshit paperwork overhead.
I lovd the challenges, though.
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And just so people on the outside don't point fingers and assume that
those on the inside or even the Congresspeople are all idiots....assume
that the $12,000 was done away with, that a department could write a
purchase order for the local BestBuy and have one of the secretaries run
down and pick them up. Then the nationwide news show would replace the
stories of $600 hammers with stories of how the cousin, twice removed,
of department head's wife is the beneficiary of a government contract
for 12 PCs worth THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. At least with the overhead, the
politicians get to look like they're doing something about corrupt
purchasing procedures AND someone gets a job.
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