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rv8vator(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

I just returned from OSH.



I have been  looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past several

years.



See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com



Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of this

diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time a

Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years fuel

prices.



I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants

<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount and

cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interested

in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount and

Cowl.



One of LoPresti¹s concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is that

it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production

engine would need an STC¹d design. Selling only firewall forward kits might

help solve this problem. Any other ideas?



MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Composites

<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shortly.



I am hoping to get some support from Van¹s in identifying builders who might

be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not been

too supportive of alternative engines.



I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their

engines.



Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will

visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress. The

180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl

should yield additional speed or economies. I don¹t think that there is a

better design company than LoPresti.



As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very busy,

but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is

LoPresti for that matter.



I¹d also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I may

be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.



Martin Sobel

7040 Treymore Court

Sarasota, FL 34243-5500

941-359-8693

941-539-4806 (Cell)

941-355-7732 (Fax)

614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

Martin Sobel wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



I just returned from OSH.



I have been  looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past several

years.



See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com



Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of this

diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time a

Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years fuel

prices.



I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants

<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount and

cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interested

in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount and

Cowl.



One of LoPresti¹s concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is that

it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production

engine would need an STC¹d design. Selling only firewall forward kits might

help solve this problem. Any other ideas?



MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Composites

<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shortly.



I am hoping to get some support from Van¹s in identifying builders who might

be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not been

too supportive of alternative engines.



I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their

engines.



Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will

visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress. The

180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl

should yield additional speed or economies. I don¹t think that there is a

better design company than LoPresti.



As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very busy,

but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is

LoPresti for that matter.



I¹d also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I may

be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.



Martin Sobel

7040 Treymore Court

Sarasota, FL 34243-5500

941-359-8693

941-539-4806 (Cell)

941-355-7732 (Fax)

614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)




	


I spent some time talking to them, also. If they will ever have a little 

zen moment of enlightenment & realize that they've got to beat the Lyc 

price point to sell any volume, they will likely sell a lot of engines. 

(No government money involvement is an encouraging sign.)



I'm building a -7. Motor mount & cooling system are much bigger concerns 

to me than the custom cowl.



If you aren't too far along, keep an eye on Mistral. they are pretty far 

along in the certification process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary, & intend 

to build a spark assisted diesel version after certification is 

completed on the gas version.

jgswartout(at)earthlink.n
Guest

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

Charlie England wrote:  (8/3/06)



---snip---

 >If you aren't too far along, keep an eye on Mistral. they are pretty far 

 >along in the certification process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary, & intend 

 >to build a spark assisted diesel version after certification is 

 >completed on the gas version.



Whew!  Talk about price point!



I love the whole idea of an aviation rotary, but last time I looked, weren't

they asking $29,000 or so?  (Oops...$31,500 for the 190 hp.)  Same reason I

gave up my delivery position for the $19,000 DeltaHawk which in the event

turned out to be $29,000.  Finally bought an ECI O-360 from Mattituck for

$18k.



John



Do Not Archive

n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

I have been talking to them for 5 years. Promises, promises, Promises,,, They have a great idea and the potential for a new powerplant is right on thier doorstep. They just can't seem to figure out how to open that door. After hearing, "next month" for years now my bets are they will deliver engines to customers in 2012, Maybe........................ 

do not archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

--> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>



Martin Sobel wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Engines-List message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator(at)comcast.net>



I just returned from OSH.



I have been  looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past several

years.



See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com



Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of this

diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay for itself by the time a

Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years fuel

prices.



I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants

<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount and

cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interested

in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount and

Cowl.



One of LoPresti¹s concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is that

it is very easy to rip off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production

engine would need an STC¹d design. Selling only firewall forward kits might

help solve this problem. Any other ideas?



MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Composites

<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shortly.



I am hoping to get some support from Van¹s in identifying builders who might

be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not been

too supportive of alternative engines.



I have also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their

engines.



Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will

visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress. The

180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl

should yield additional speed or economies. I don¹t think that there is a

better design company than LoPresti.



As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very busy,

but he would talk with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is

LoPresti for that matter.



I¹d also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I may

be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.



Martin Sobel

7040 Treymore Court

Sarasota, FL 34243-5500

941-359-8693

941-539-4806 (Cell)

941-355-7732 (Fax)

614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)




	


I spent some time talking to them, also. If they will ever have a little 

zen moment of enlightenment & realize that they've got to beat the Lyc 

price point to sell any volume, they will likely sell a lot of engines. 

(No government money involvement is an encouraging sign.)



I'm building a -7. Motor mount & cooling system are much bigger concerns 

to me than the custom cowl.



If you aren't too far along, keep an eye on Mistral. they are pretty far 

along in the certification process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary, & intend 

to build a spark assisted diesel version after certification is 

completed on the gas version.





========================       - The Engines-List&nhe many List utilities such as the Subsp;                                   &n================================================sp;      - NEW MATRONICS LInbsp;                                   &===============================================_-=   Thank you for your generous&nbp;                     -Matt Drall===========================================

rv8a2001(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

3 years ago I wanted the DeltaHawk engine and it was only 6 months away then........



"n801bh(at)netzero.com" <n801bh(at)netzero.com> wrote:   	  Quote: 	
		    I have been talking to them for 5 years. Promises, promises, Promises,,, They have a great idea and the potential for a new powerplant is right on thier doorstep. They just can't seem to figure out how to open that door. After hearing, "next month" for years now my bets are they will deliver engines to customers in 2012, Maybe.........................

  do not  archive

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

--> Engines-List message posted by: Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>



Martin Sobel wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Engines-List message posted by: Martin Sobel <rv8vator(at)comcast.net>



I just returned from OSH.



I have been  looking at the 180 hp DeltaHawk Diesel over the past several

years.



See: http://www.deltahawkengines.com



Despite the difficulty of a brand new engine, I feel the benefits of this

diesel are too numerous to overlook. It will pay  for itself by the time a

Lycoming is due for an overhaul. This forecast was made with last years fuel

prices.



I spoke with both DeltaHawk and Curt LoPresti of LoPresti Speed Merchants

<http://www.speedmods.com> about LoPresti designing both an engine mount and

cowl for the RV-8. If I can get a sufficient number of builders interested

in the DeltaHawk engine, LoPresti has agreed to design an engine mount and

Cowl.



One of LoPresti¹s concerns about getting into the homebuilt market is that

it is very easy to ri p off a design for a cowl or fairing. A production

engine would need an STC¹d design. Selling only firewall forward kits might

help solve this problem. Any other ideas?



MT has a constant speed propeller on the DeltaHawk Velocity. Aero Composites

<http://www.aerocomposites.com> will be supplying a test propeller shortly.



I am hoping to get some support from Van¹s in identifying builders who might

be interested in taking the plunge, but as you may know, Van has not been

too supportive of alternative engines.



I hav e also spoken with DeltaHawk about starting a Yahoo Group for their

engines.



Should there be sufficient interest to proceed with this program I will

visit DeltaHawk for a first hand view of their engine and its progress. The

180 hp engine will be perfect for the RV-8/A. A properly designed cowl

should yield additional speed or economies. I don¹t think that there is a

better design company than LoPresti.



As a back up, I also spoke with Sam James. He said that they were very busy,

but he would talk&nbsp ;with me. His location is not too far from me, nor is

LoPresti for that matter.



I¹d also appreciate any ideas in getting this word out to RV builders. I may

be that RV 7 and 9 builders could also benefit from this program.



Martin Sobel

7040 Treymore Court

Sarasota, FL 34243-5500

941-359-8693

941-539-4806 (Cell)

941-355-7732 (Fax)

614-789-4325 (thru 8/23/06)




	


I spent some time talking to them, also. If they will ever have a little 

zen moment of enlightenment & realize that they've got to beat the&nbsp ;Lyc 

price point to sell any volume, they will likely sell a lot of engines. 

(No government money involvement is an encouraging sign.)



I'm building a -7. Motor mount & cooling system are much bigger concerns 

to me than the custom cowl.



If you aren't too far along, keep an eye on Mistral. they are pretty far 

along in the certification process on a Wankel (Mazda) rotary, & intend 

to build a spark assisted diesel version after certification is 

completed on the gas version.





========================   & ;    -Matt Drall===========================================

mlas(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:22 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

Martin,



Just a thought since your in the home build world with the RV, why don't

you do the engine mount and fairings yourself.  I am an IE and work with

many local engineers to over come design issues all the time.  You would

find that you could do this for much less and in most cases get a better

product.  And use that idea of ripe off as it relates to design

information.  The first thing I would do is get the drawings of the

Diamond aircraft engine mount and redesign it for the RV.  Look at why

and how they did what they did and reverse engineer it, it's not that

hard.  As far as the fairings/cowling and as a composite home builder,

these are very easy thing to make and design using what is out there as

a base model. 



Just an idea,



Mike L



--

n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

Ya still need the Deltahawk engine............................ If it ever gets delivered can you imagine getting replacement parts for it. This is the main reason I created a firewall forward installation using a V-8 Ford for my 801. It  was not easy but it was "educational" <G> 

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net> wrote:

--> Engines-List message posted by: "Mike" <mlas(at)cox.net>



Martin,



Just a thought since your in the home build world with the RV, why don't

you do the engine mount and fairings yourself.  I am an IE and work with

many local engineers to over come design issues all the time.  You would

find that you could do this for much less and in most cases get a better

product.  And use that idea of ripe off as it relates to design

information.  The first thing I would do is get the drawings of the

Diamond aircraft engine mount and redesign it for the RV.  Look at why

and how they did what they did and reverse engineer it, it's not that

hard.  As far as the fairings/cowling and as a composite home builder,

these are very easy thing to make and design using what is out there as

a base model. 



Just an idea,



Mike L



--

jrccea(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

Which Ford did you use?  PAW does an0 interesting 427 version of the 351W.

 JimC

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gcomfo(at)tc3net.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

[quote]   

   --

n801bh(at)netzero.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

It is a Ford Motorsports aluminum block intended for severe racing duty, 302 block stroked to 347 cu in. All the facts are on my website;   

www. haaspowerair.com 

Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "jrc" <jrccea(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

  Which Ford did you use?  PAW does an interesting 427 version of the 351W.

 JimC

 [quote] ---

jrccea(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: DeltaHawk Diesel and RV's

Nice engine.

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