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 Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 7:56 am Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Hello Chris,
You inquired about the utility of the Europa Monowheel as a cross country plane, specifically as it pertains to winds. In the eighteenth years of flying my Monowheel all over the United States I have never been grounded due to high winds other than flying into my home field. I have landed the mono in some pretty strong and gusty winds flying in the desert southwest during the summer months.
Gusts are certainly the biggest concern with the Europa or any other small plane for that matter. Just last week we had a Piper Arrow crash on landing due to strong gusting winds. The pilot was flying into Las Vegas from Southern California. The plane was totaled. See photo below.
I landed in similar conditions a couple of months ago. On the first landing I had just touched down when I was launched back into the air by a gust. The wind was 18 kts gusting 30 kts with a 50 degree crosswind from the right. Rather than try and save the landing I did a go-around. The tower ask me to state my intentions. I told him I would give it one more try before heading to another field in the area with more favorable wind conditions. Las Vegas is in a bowl with mountains surrounding the valley. Fortunately, we have a couple of airports on the other side of the mountains which make for good alternates which I have availed myself to on occasion (especially if the wife is on board as she hates the bumps).
I came around for the second attempt and fought it all the way down to the ground. The gusts were horrendous. I was jockeying the power like a fighter pilot making a carrier landing. I was carrying quite a bit of power when I crossed the threshold. Flying just a foot or so off the runway I chopped the power and set the plane down. I am sure it wasn’t pretty but I did get her landed. The tower commented on the gusty conditions and I responded, “I think I found the limits of the plane.”
I have landed in steady winds up to 35 kts with varying crosswinds. I land using the crab technique, kicking out the tail and lining up with the centerline during the flare and aileron to control drift. If I can straighten out the plane with the rudder on short final I will attempt the landing. If not, then I am landing at another airport. BTW, I make all my landings with full flaps regardless of the winds. I do, however, take off with partial flaps though.
The Europa is a marvelous cross country plane and I wouldn’t hesitate taking it anywhere. That’s not to say I don’t take the weather and winds into consideration, I do. In fact, I have have made plenty of unplanned layovers due to weather. It’s the old adage, “If you fly by air, have time to spare.” The Europa has its limitations just like any other small plane. Plan accordingly.
Blue skies,
Erich Trombley
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| Posted: Sat May 29, 2021 1:09 pm Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said.Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinated!
Cheers,
Tim
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| Quote: | On 30/05/2021, at 4:10 AM, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
Hello Chris,
You inquired about the utility of the Europa Monowheel as a cross country plane, specifically as it pertains to winds. In the eighteenth years of flying my Monowheel all over the United States I have never been grounded due to high winds other than flying into my home field. I have landed the mono in some pretty strong and gusty winds flying in the desert southwest during the summer months.
Gusts are certainly the biggest concern with the Europa or any other small plane for that matter. Just last week we had a Piper Arrow crash on landing due to strong gusting winds. The pilot was flying into Las Vegas from Southern California. The plane was totaled. See photo below.
I landed in similar conditions a couple of months ago. On the first landing I had just touched down when I was launched back into the air by a gust. The wind was 18 kts gusting 30 kts with a 50 degree crosswind from the right. Rather than try and save the landing I did a go-around. The tower ask me to state my intentions. I told him I would give it one more try before heading to another field in the area with more favorable wind conditions. Las Vegas is in a bowl with mountains surrounding the valley. Fortunately, we have a couple of airports on the other side of the mountains which make for good alternates which I have availed myself to on occasion (especially if the wife is on board as she hates the bumps).
I came around for the second attempt and fought it all the way down to the ground. The gusts were horrendous. I was jockeying the power like a fighter pilot making a carrier landing. I was carrying quite a bit of power when I crossed the threshold. Flying just a foot or so off the runway I chopped the power and set the plane down. I am sure it wasn’t pretty but I did get her landed. The tower commented on the gusty conditions and I responded, “I think I found the limits of the plane.”
I have landed in steady winds up to 35 kts with varying crosswinds. I land using the crab technique, kicking out the tail and lining up with the centerline during the flare and aileron to control drift. If I can straighten out the plane with the rudder on short final I will attempt the landing. If not, then I am landing at another airport. BTW, I make all my landings with full flaps regardless of the winds. I do, however, take off with partial flaps though.
The Europa is a marvelous cross country plane and I wouldn’t hesitate taking it anywhere. That’s not to say I don’t take the weather and winds into consideration, I do. In fact, I have have made plenty of unplanned layovers due to weather. It’s the old adage, “If you fly by air, have time to spare.” The Europa has its limitations just like any other small plane. Plan accordingly.
Blue skies,
Erich Trombley
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 3:14 pm Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Hi Tim,
Good to hear from you. Yes, let’s meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH.
Cheers,
Erich
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From: timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said.
Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat
ed!
Cheers,
Tim
Sent from my iPad
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 5:28 pm Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Lucky Guys! I’ll be watching online, as borders still closed and no second vax before aug. i’ll be there in spirit tho! Have a blast!
PeteZ 
| Quote: | On May 30, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Good to hear from you. Yes, let’s meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH.
Cheers,
Erich
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> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US
> From: timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
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> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said.
> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat
> ed!
> Cheers,
> Tim
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> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
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> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 6:37 pm Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On 31 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Good to hear from you. Yes, let’s meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH.
Cheers,
Erich
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> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US
> From: timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
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> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said.
> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat
> ed!
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
> ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
> 021 0640221
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:38 pm Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Sorry about the empty email ..... dog jerked on the lead and swish, away it went prematurely. 😟
Re Oshkosh ..... are you people talking this year?
There is no chance of my making it this year ..... if I could get out of the country it is doubtful I would get back home again.
My sons and I do however plan to attend next year 2022 all things being equal so I hope there will still be some Europhiles around then. It is on my bucket list to attend an Engineering meeting!
Cheers
Kingsley in Oz.
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Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On 31 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Good to hear from you. Yes, let’s meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH.
Cheers,
Erich
>
> Time: 02:09:34 PM PST US
> From: timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine
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> Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said.
> Meet up again next Oshkosh, if planned to go ahead, and I have been vaccinat
> ed!
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPad
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street,
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
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> ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
> 021 0640221
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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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| Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 7:59 pm Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Hi Kingsley,I was only trying to be positive about going to Oshkosh this year as you are right, it does sound implausible. We are scheduled to have the vaccination in August but delays are now likely. I will only go if vaccinated. 2022 sounds great.
Cheers,
Tim
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| Quote: | On 31/05/2021, at 3:45 PM, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au> wrote:
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Sorry about the empty email ..... dog jerked on the lead and swish, away it went prematurely. 😟
Re Oshkosh ..... are you people talking this year?
There is no chance of my making it this year ..... if I could get out of the country it is doubtful I would get back home again.
My sons and I do however plan to attend next year 2022 all things being equal so I hope there will still be some Europhiles around then. It is on my bucket list to attend an Engineering meeting!
Cheers
Kingsley in Oz.
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | On 31 May 2021, at 9:21 am, Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: Erich Trombley <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com>
Hi Tim,
Good to hear from you. Yes, let’s meet up at OSH. So looking forward to the event. I flew to SNF this year which was a great primer for OSH.
Cheers,
Erich
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| Quote: | Great comments Erich. I can stand by everything you have said.
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Oshkosh is on schedule, July 26 - August 1. The arrival Notam has been published and EAA is selling wristbands on line. I have requested a forum for Europa enthusiasts and will post the date, time and location as soon as I receive it. We're looking forward to seeing everyone. Sorry Tim & Kingsley can't make it this year.
Jim & Heather
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| Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Thanks for the reply Erich, interesting story and good advice. Certainly makes me feel more confident and I have to say that I have been practicing and my landings are becoming more controlled with a very small percentage of them with a small bounce. This weekend I did a nice two hour cross country and enjoyed it greatly.
Although I am sure that your landing story still applies to my airplane, am I correct in assuming you used your split gear/landing feature to land with less flaps during that extreme wind condition?
Best,
Chris
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:42 am Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Chris,
Glad to hear you had a nice cross country. While it is true I have the ability to choose something less than full flaps for landing, I make all my landings full flaps, even in windy/gusty conditions. The view over the nose is better, plus a lower touchdown speed and less float. As mentioned in my original post I do, however, use partial flaps for takeoff.
With your fly off almost complete, hopefully you are able to make OSH.
Regards,
Erich
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:21 am Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Further to Erich's excellent comments, fwiw, in the std mono, if full flaps is causing issues on a short strip, I pull the flaps up partially once airborne (my speed builds quickly once off the ground), allowing for better climb. I have not yet found it to be limiting, other than it pops off a bumpy strip prematurely.
On a typical longer runway, I simply let the speed build to Vx before stowing the flaps all the way in one motion - typically at 2/3's runway.
In my XS "dream" build, I am leaving them coupled. I like keeping things simple
Cheers
PeteZ
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Chris,
Glad to hear you had a nice cross country. While it is true I have the ability to choose something less than full flaps for landing, I make all my landings full flaps, even in windy/gusty conditions. The view over the nose is better, plus a lower touchdown speed and less float. As mentioned in my original post I do, however, use partial flaps for takeoff.
With your fly off almost complete, hopefully you are able to make OSH.
Regards,
Erich
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:31 am Post subject: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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<<typically at 2/3's runway.>>
How long is the runway and what surface/condition?
I'm 'struggling' with the acceleration of a new prop I'm trying and would like a comparison.
Duncan McF. | Quote: | On 01 June 2021 at 17:20 Pete Zut <peterz(at)zutrasoft.com> wrote:
Further to Erich's excellent comments, fwiw, in the std mono, if full flaps is causing issues on a short strip, I pull the flaps up partially once airborne (my speed builds quickly once off the ground), allowing for better climb. I have not yet found it to be limiting, other than it pops off a bumpy strip prematurely.
On a typical longer runway, I simply let the speed build to Vx before stowing the flaps all the way in one motion - typically at 2/3's runway.
In my XS "dream" build, I am leaving them coupled. I like keeping things simple
Cheers
PeteZ
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Chris,
Glad to hear you had a nice cross country. While it is true I have the ability to choose something less than full flaps for landing, I make all my landings full flaps, even in windy/gusty conditions. The view over the nose is better, plus a lower touchdown speed and less float. As mentioned in my original post I do, however, use partial flaps for takeoff.
With your fly off almost complete, hopefully you are able to make OSH.
Regards,
Erich
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| Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Europa Monowheel - Cross Country Flying Machine |
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Erich and others,
Thanks for your input on the flap position on landing. Excellent info and it really makes me realize that I just need to learn to land the mono. so for now I will not think about any mods until I build more time in it.
I really wanted to do OSH but my father is falling ill and need to use vacation time to go visit him (he's in Spain). So no OSH this year. In a way I think I want to build a little more time in it before going there anyway. I am a big fan of Triple Tree and will really try to go there if I can. It happens in September. A little closer and can be done with minimal time off from work. That's a nice grass runway for the mono!
Chris
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