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Jeffd
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 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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M-14P, Series II engine and parts for Sale:
• M-14P Engine, Series II, 300 hours since overhaul, original logbook, includes Western Fittings Kit and Skytronics alternator/regulator. $13,750.
• M-14 Exhaust System, stainless steel, made in USA, includes gaskets. $1375.
• MT Prop Adapter. Adapts Western style flat flange prop to the standard serrated M-14 propshaft. $275.
• Petersen 5 Gallon Oil Tank modified for use with the M-14 engine. Includes mounting brackets, Kimball on/off oil valve, silicone pad heater, oil temp probe fitting, scavenge oil return fitting, custom vent fittings, calibrated dipstick/cap assembly. $500.
• Kimball Air Start Components: Compressed air storage bottle with aux fill fitting, pressure guage, valve manifold with start valve, dump valve and safety valve. $350.
• Kimball Prop Governor Cable Bracket. $45
• Kimball Intake Manifold Drain Kit. $80
• Kimball Prop Governor “Wheel”. $30
• Start Coil. $100
• M-14 Engine Guages, made by UMA, specifically color marked for the M-14: 2.25” tach and tach generator, $120. 1.25” oil pressure, oil temp, volts and CHT, $60 each.
Engine and parts were recently removed in good working order from a flying aircraft
For info or photos mail / call me at jdair(at)sbcglobal.net / 913 634 8531
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dab(at)froghouse.org
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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I'm getting into a project that's designed for an M14P engine. Having
yet collected no parts firewall forward, this could be ideal and I may
be interested in everything. I'm also trying to come up to speed on
these engines so I have a few questions.
First is about the prop adapter. A guy at Barrett Precision Engines last
summer at Oshkosh showed me what the splined propflange looked like. I
assume that's what you mean by the serrated M-14 propshaft. I thought
the MT prop attached directly to that though, and didn't need an adapter.
The prop governor bracket and prop governor wheel, I'm not sure what
those are all about? Are they generally useful or specific to the
installation this engine came out of?
Does the engine include the carburetor? The prop governor? Is it missing
other bits that I should be asking about but haven't thought of?
You mentioned pictures and those would be good.
Thanks,
-Dave
On 02/11/2013 11:46 AM, Jeffd wrote:
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M-14P, Series II engine and parts for Sale:
• M-14P Engine, Series II, 300 hours since overhaul, original logbook, includes Western Fittings Kit and Skytronics alternator/regulator. $13,750.
• M-14 Exhaust System, stainless steel, made in USA, includes gaskets. $1375.
• MT Prop Adapter. Adapts Western style flat flange prop to the standard serrated M-14 propshaft. $275.
• Petersen 5 Gallon Oil Tank modified for use with the M-14 engine. Includes mounting brackets, Kimball on/off oil valve, silicone pad heater, oil temp probe fitting, scavenge oil return fitting, custom vent fittings, calibrated dipstick/cap assembly. $500.
• Kimball Air Start Components: Compressed air storage bottle with aux fill fitting, pressure guage, valve manifold with start valve, dump valve and safety valve. $350.
• Kimball Prop Governor Cable Bracket. $45
• Kimball Intake Manifold Drain Kit. $80
• Kimball Prop Governor “Wheel”. $30
• Start Coil. $100
• M-14 Engine Guages, made by UMA, specifically color marked for the M-14: 2.25” tach and tach generator, $120. 1.25” oil pressure, oil temp, volts and CHT, $60 each.
Engine and parts were recently removed in good working order from a flying aircraft
For info or photos mail / call me at jdair(at)sbcglobal.net / 913 634 8531
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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I'll do my best to answer the questions. They will be within your email
in ALL CAPS.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/11/2013 2:39 PM, David Bridgham wrote:
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I'm getting into a project that's designed for an M14P engine. Having
yet collected no parts firewall forward, this could be ideal and I may
be interested in everything. I'm also trying to come up to speed on
these engines so I have a few questions.
First is about the prop adapter. A guy at Barrett Precision Engines last
summer at Oshkosh showed me what the splined propflange looked like. I
assume that's what you mean by the serrated M-14 propshaft. NO, THAT IS NOT TYPICALLY FOUND ON THE M14P ENGINES. THE SERRATED PROP ADAPTER IS ACTUALLY A PROP FLANGE. BOTH THE MTV PROP AND THE ORIGINAL RUSSIAN PROP HUB ATTACH TO THE PROP FLANGE. thought the MT prop attached directly to that though, and didn't need an adapter.
The prop governor bracket and prop governor wheel, I'm not sure what
those are all about? Are they generally useful or specific to the
installation this engine came out of? THE PROP GOVERNOR WHEEL THAT KIMBALL'S SELLS IS A BLESSING, ESPECIALLY FOR NEW INSTALLATIONS, WHEN SETTING THE GOVERNOR HIGH PITCH AND LOW PITCH RANGE.
Does the engine include the carburetor? YES IN MOST CASES. The prop governor? YES, IN MOST CASES. Is it missing other bits that I should be asking about but haven't thought of? ANYTHING ATTACHED TO THE ACCESSORY CASE, LIKE MAGNETOS, AIR COMPRESSOR, TACH DRIVE, AIR START DISTRIBUTOR, GENERATOR OR ALTERNATOR. ALSO YOU SHOULD BE PREPARED TO SPEND A COUPLE OF THOUSAND ON A GOOD SLIP JOINT EXHAUST SYSTEM. CHECK WITH THE KIMBALLS IN FLORIDA FOR THIS.
You mentioned pictures and those would be good.
Thanks,
-Dave
On 02/11/2013 11:46 AM, Jeffd wrote:
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> M-14P, Series II engine and parts for Sale:
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> • M-14P Engine, Series II, 300 hours since overhaul, original logbook, includes Western Fittings Kit and Skytronics alternator/regulator. $13,750.
>
> • M-14 Exhaust System, stainless steel, made in USA, includes gaskets. $1375.
>
> • MT Prop Adapter. Adapts Western style flat flange prop to the standard serrated M-14 propshaft. $275.
>
> • Petersen 5 Gallon Oil Tank modified for use with the M-14 engine. Includes mounting brackets, Kimball on/off oil valve, silicone pad heater, oil temp probe fitting, scavenge oil return fitting, custom vent fittings, calibrated dipstick/cap assembly. $500.
>
> • Kimball Air Start Components: Compressed air storage bottle with aux fill fitting, pressure guage, valve manifold with start valve, dump valve and safety valve. $350.
>
> • Kimball Prop Governor Cable Bracket. $45
>
> • Kimball Intake Manifold Drain Kit. $80
>
> • Kimball Prop Governor “Wheel”. $30
>
> • Start Coil. $100
>
> • M-14 Engine Guages, made by UMA, specifically color marked for the M-14: 2.25” tach and tach generator, $120. 1.25” oil pressure, oil temp, volts and CHT, $60 each.
>
> Engine and parts were recently removed in good working order from a flying aircraft
>
> For info or photos mail / call me at jdair(at)sbcglobal.net / 913 634 8531
>
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:22 pm Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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One minor addition to make this even more confusing:
Dennis, correct me on the terminology if you would please.
When ordering a new prop for the M-14P engine from MP, you can NOW specify whether it will mate to the original Russian "flange" (as it were), or to the Western type of prop mount. So if you NOW order a new prop now from MT, you can tell them what it will mount to in which case no adapter will be needed period.
However, if you desire to mount an older MT prop that has a Western style mount to a Russian style "serrated flange" you are going to need the prop adapter mentioned by Dennis.
At some point of time, M-14 engines, usually PF models, became available with the Western style of prop mount. How these engines were designated, I am not sure.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. I hope I have all this correct, as I have only worked on all the above, never owned it all!
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:06 pm Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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Mark is correct. If you happen to purchase an M14 with the western prop
mount, you won't need the adapter for the MTV prop. However, based on my
experiences with the new Whirlwind Scimitar blades installed in the V530
hub, the performance improvements over the Russian paddle prop are quite
noticeable and closely match the climb performance of an MTV prop
installed on an M14P.
The Whirlwind W530 blades are carbon fiber. No wood core. Weights of the
blades are virtually identical due to the fact they are made in a mold.
Cost is about $6K for the blades. Add about $1500 for an overhauled V530
Russian hub and an additional $1500 for the Whirlwind spinner and for
half the price of the MTV 9, you'll see about the same or better
performance. Just my 2 cents.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/11/2013 3:22 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
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One minor addition to make this even more confusing:
Dennis, correct me on the terminology if you would please.
When ordering a new prop for the M-14P engine from MP, you can NOW specify whether it will mate to the original Russian "flange" (as it were), or to the Western type of prop mount. So if you NOW order a new prop now from MT, you can tell them what it will mount to in which case no adapter will be needed period.
However, if you desire to mount an older MT prop that has a Western style mount to a Russian style "serrated flange" you are going to need the prop adapter mentioned by Dennis.
At some point of time, M-14 engines, usually PF models, became available with the Western style of prop mount. How these engines were designated, I am not sure.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. I hope I have all this correct, as I have only worked on all the above, never owned it all!
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tigeryak18t
Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Posts: 233
Location: PARIS FRANCE
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:10 pm Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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Not counting the lifetime and overhaul of an MT prop!!!
And this is not 2 cents !!
Didier
2013/2/11 A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>:
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<dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
Mark is correct. If you happen to purchase an M14 with the western prop
mount, you won't need the adapter for the MTV prop. However, based on my
experiences with the new Whirlwind Scimitar blades installed in the V530
hub, the performance improvements over the Russian paddle prop are quite
noticeable and closely match the climb performance of an MTV prop installed
on an M14P.
The Whirlwind W530 blades are carbon fiber. No wood core. Weights of the
blades are virtually identical due to the fact they are made in a mold. Cost
is about $6K for the blades. Add about $1500 for an overhauled V530 Russian
hub and an additional $1500 for the Whirlwind spinner and for half the price
of the MTV 9, you'll see about the same or better performance. Just my 2
cents.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/11/2013 3:22 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
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> WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
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> One minor addition to make this even more confusing:
>
> Dennis, correct me on the terminology if you would please.
>
> When ordering a new prop for the M-14P engine from MP, you can NOW specify
> whether it will mate to the original Russian "flange" (as it were), or to
> the Western type of prop mount. So if you NOW order a new prop now from
> MT, you can tell them what it will mount to in which case no adapter will be
> needed period.
>
> However, if you desire to mount an older MT prop that has a Western style
> mount to a Russian style "serrated flange" you are going to need the prop
> adapter mentioned by Dennis.
>
> At some point of time, M-14 engines, usually PF models, became available
> with the Western style of prop mount. How these engines were designated, I
> am not sure.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
> p.s. I hope I have all this correct, as I have only worked on all the
> above, never owned it all!
>
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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:34 pm Post subject: M-14P engine and Install Parts for Sale |
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200% correct Didier!
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/11/2013 5:08 PM, Didier Blouzard wrote:
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Not counting the lifetime and overhaul of an MT prop!!!
And this is not 2 cents !!
Didier
2013/2/11 A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>:
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> <dsavarese0812(at)bellsouth.net>
>
> Mark is correct. If you happen to purchase an M14 with the western prop
> mount, you won't need the adapter for the MTV prop. However, based on my
> experiences with the new Whirlwind Scimitar blades installed in the V530
> hub, the performance improvements over the Russian paddle prop are quite
> noticeable and closely match the climb performance of an MTV prop installed
> on an M14P.
>
> The Whirlwind W530 blades are carbon fiber. No wood core. Weights of the
> blades are virtually identical due to the fact they are made in a mold. Cost
> is about $6K for the blades. Add about $1500 for an overhauled V530 Russian
> hub and an additional $1500 for the Whirlwind spinner and for half the price
> of the MTV 9, you'll see about the same or better performance. Just my 2
> cents.
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 2/11/2013 3:22 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
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>> WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
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>> One minor addition to make this even more confusing:
>>
>> Dennis, correct me on the terminology if you would please.
>>
>> When ordering a new prop for the M-14P engine from MP, you can NOW specify
>> whether it will mate to the original Russian "flange" (as it were), or to
>> the Western type of prop mount. So if you NOW order a new prop now from
>> MT, you can tell them what it will mount to in which case no adapter will be
>> needed period.
>>
>> However, if you desire to mount an older MT prop that has a Western style
>> mount to a Russian style "serrated flange" you are going to need the prop
>> adapter mentioned by Dennis.
>>
>> At some point of time, M-14 engines, usually PF models, became available
>> with the Western style of prop mount. How these engines were designated, I
>> am not sure.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>> p.s. I hope I have all this correct, as I have only worked on all the
>> above, never owned it all!
>>
>>
>>
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