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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: FAST Reply with quote

I thought I would share some info with you folks regarding FAST. (formation flying)

Apparently there are some good old boys as FAST check pilots. SAY IT ISN"T SO!

Anyway, when they are giving check rides, they tend to ignor some of the requirements and performance standards outlind by FAST. It is not good to lower the bar. When I'm 3' from the airplane next to me, I want to know that we all trained, and maintain a personal level of proficiency that exceeds the minimum standards.

The conversation on-line between the FAST check pilots, is that some organizations, RPA, NATA or any of the other signatories are thinking of not honoring the other organizations FAST cards. So if you have a CJAA lead or check pilot card, and you decide to join the RPA, you may be required to take another check ride. Another $1000 ride - OH GOODIE!

My suggestion is that when you are given the check ride or training, you must demand from the instructor that he grill you until sweat if pouring from your brow. Don't take the criticisim personally. Raise the bar. Its your butt.

If you are uncomfortable doing certain maneuvers, tell the instructor that at this time you are not comfortable with this yet. i.e. formation takeoffs or landings is probably not something you need for the first time you are only feet from another airplane. Sometimes the instructors like to "show off" what they can do. Remember your $$ your butt.

On the other hand, there comes a time when you have to trust the instructors. They may see that you have the ability and knowledge but are just having a bad day flying. Its like when I did my first solo. I knew I was NOT ready, but the teacher says go grasshopper. Thou shalt complete 2 T&G's and 1 full stop and thou shalt be born again. I said #(at)+***. He, to his credit, ignored me.

Enough soap box stuff.

Ernie,

Has the airconditioning project? Summer is coming.

Piper or Beech had a unit for their single engine airplanes. Would they work?

Has anyone replaced their nitrogen bottles? What's involved with the fittings? Maybe braise the new ends on?

Bill


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: FAST Reply with quote

Its not restricted to Lead or Check but Wing as well. Actually it happened
to me. I received my LOA through CJAA. Then I quit CJAA and wanted to
transfer my FAST card over to RPA ( who I had gotten all my FAST training
from). I had to take a "Standardization ride" which is a euphomysm for a
check ride. Its all bullshit, but the prior president of RPA is now the
president of FAST, and he's the guy that made up this rule.

Bottom line though getting FAST qualified in a JET is rediculous. In RPA you
need about 10 to 15 rides before you get your checkride, unless you have
previous military experience. Find someone with a Yak or a CJ and get it at
15 gal/hr rather than 150.

I havent done much with the AC project as of late. I may get started again
soon though.

Ernie
On 4/14/06, Bill <czech6(at)kellin.net> wrote:
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I thought I would share some info with you folks regarding FAST.
(formation flying)

Apparently there are some good old boys as FAST check pilots. SAY IT ISN"T
SO!

Anyway, when they are giving check rides, they tend to ignor some of the
requirements and performance standards outlind by FAST. It is not good to
lower the bar. When I'm 3' from the airplane next to me, I want to know that
we all trained, and maintain a personal level of proficiency that exceeds
the minimum standards.

The conversation on-line between the FAST check pilots, is that some
organizations, RPA, NATA or any of the other signatories are thinking of not
honoring the other organizations FAST cards. So if you have a CJAA lead or
check pilot card, and you decide to join the RPA, you may be required to
take another check ride. Another $1000 ride - OH GOODIE!

My suggestion is that when you are given the check ride or training, you
must demand from the instructor that he grill you until sweat if pouring
from your brow. Don't take the criticisim personally. Raise the bar. Its
your butt.

If you are uncomfortable doing certain maneuvers, tell the instructor that
at this time you are not comfortable with this yet. i.e. formation
takeoffs or landings is probably not something you need for the first time
you are only feet from another airplane. Sometimes the instructors like to
"show off" what they can do. Remember your $$ your butt.

On the other hand, there comes a time when you have to trust the
instructors. They may see that you have the ability and knowledge but are
just having a bad day flying. Its like when I did my first solo. I knew I
was NOT ready, but the teacher says go grasshopper. Thou shalt complete 2
T&G's and 1 full stop and thou shalt be born again. I said #(at)+***. He, to
his credit, ignored me.

Enough soap box stuff.

Ernie,

Has the airconditioning project? Summer is coming.

Piper or Beech had a unit for their single engine airplanes. Would they
work?

Has anyone replaced their nitrogen bottles? What's involved with the
fittings? Maybe braise the new ends on?

Bill



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:00 am    Post subject: FAST Reply with quote

Amen!!!!! Does anyone have a YAK I can borrow?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: FAST Reply with quote

I used to, but I sold it... too slow! It would be like formation in slow
motion!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: FAST Reply with quote

Unless you're independently wealthy and have a friend who is also,
you'll never get proficient in formation flying with the jet, secondly
you'll never experience a mass formation. This year at Sun & Fun we
put up 25 planes in one mass formation.

Too slow.......whats the hurry, do you use the Jet for transportation?
Basically every time I fly mine I usually end up landing where I
started. Formation in Slow motion???? How can you tell the
difference??? When you're hangining off your lead there is no sense of
speed, 100knts or 400 makes absolutely no difference. Also flying
formation in the Jet is easy, try it in a plane which requires the use
of rudder. Also try flying inside slot of a large delta formation in
the wake of 20 airplanes in front of you and all around you, that'll
increase the pucker factor a bit. I can fly my CJ 10 times for the
same money that I would spend boring holes in the sky by myself for 45
minutes in the Jet.

Check out this link, these pics were taken from my back seat. We are
in the 4th flight of a mass formation of 6 flights (24 airplanes in
all). http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/Sun-n-Fun_2006/

My jet is still for sale if you want to buy one for a friend you can
formate with on a regular basis.

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I used to, but I sold it... too slow! It would be like formation in slow
motion!!!




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