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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:31 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:50 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01(at)rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
AdmID:30B43EDD8910B227A5E1A81066D50BC3


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:25 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
AdmID:4EAA2A64D1CEF1244C42A6DAB85C9D4E
AdmID:2C4F362CCC0E67F98E76589389296E1B

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:25 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01(at)rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
AdmID:30B43EDD8910B227A5E1A81066D50BC3
AdmID:C54FF9E1511873D4B582657F68925039


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
AdmID:4EAA2A64D1CEF1244C42A6DAB85C9D4E
AdmID:2C4F362CCC0E67F98E76589389296E1B
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01(at)rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
AdmID:30B43EDD8910B227A5E1A81066D50BC3
AdmID:C54FF9E1511873D4B582657F68925039
AdmID:CDC65746661A0E0375DD99CE220BA111


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:19 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
AdmID:4EAA2A64D1CEF1244C42A6DAB85C9D4E
AdmID:2C4F362CCC0E67F98E76589389296E1B
AdmID:4CC815E036537AA6E9368A7B0CF7B39D
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:19 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01(at)rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
AdmID:30B43EDD8910B227A5E1A81066D50BC3
AdmID:C54FF9E1511873D4B582657F68925039
AdmID:CDC65746661A0E0375DD99CE220BA111
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


As the sample below indicates I am still receiving many duplicate massages
after others have reported a fix is in place.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01(at)rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
AdmID:30B43EDD8910B227A5E1A81066D50BC3
AdmID:C54FF9E1511873D4B582657F68925039
AdmID:CDC65746661A0E0375DD99CE220BA111
AdmID:A9FC4EC2F12D4CC711CB899FEBF8C296
AdmID:E7823DDA6FA636D43C8622B6A38D4753


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
AdmID:4EAA2A64D1CEF1244C42A6DAB85C9D4E
AdmID:2C4F362CCC0E67F98E76589389296E1B
AdmID:4CC815E036537AA6E9368A7B0CF7B39D
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


Great Information Kevin,
I had no knowledge of those forces. The only inverted spin I was ever in
scared me so much that I have avoided such spins assiduously ever since
The more I learn about the TC, the better I like the T&B!
Thanks for the input.
I have some old thoughts on this subject that I posted on another list
several years ago. Would you mind if I sent them to you for your comment?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8503
Do Not Archive
In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:34:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
khorton01(at)rogers.com writes:
Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
AdmID:30B43EDD8910B227A5E1A81066D50BC3
AdmID:C54FF9E1511873D4B582657F68925039
AdmID:CDC65746661A0E0375DD99CE220BA111
AdmID:A9FC4EC2F12D4CC711CB899FEBF8C296
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


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Jim in Kelowna do not archive


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:16, BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
If the aircraft is simultaneously rolled one way and yawed the
other, (an
almost impossible thing to do in most airplanes!) it will show no
movement at
all.

Actually, the roll and yaw are in opposite directions in an inverted
spin. The relative proportions of roll and yaw depend on the pitch
attitude (assuming a fully developed spin with a vertical axis of
rotation). It is a bit of a crap shoot to guess what a TC would be
showing. This is one of the reasons why I have a T&B, as I plan to
do quite a bit of aerobatics, and I can't rule out the possibility of
ending up in an inverted spin following a botched manoeuvre.
The fact that the roll and yaw are in opposite directions make
inverted spins quite disorienting. We tend to be more sensitive to
roll rate than yaw rate, so there is a tendency to misinterpret the
direction of spin. If the inverted spin is intentional, then you
probably know which way you are spinning. But, if it was
unintentional, the turn needle on a T&B is a good confirmation as to
which rudder you need to push.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject: TC versus T&B, Was: Instrument names (was Reply with quote


As the sample below indicates I am still receiving many duplicate massages
after others have reported a fix is in place.
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