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czech6(at)kellin.net
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject: formation

How about Friday evening ground school at the hanger. Pizza delivery in Mojave?



I'll bring all the paper work we need. It sounds like we'll have plenty of back seat support. How many people are actually in for formation training. Really. At least 2 tanks of fuel required.



You boys that are serious about this need to fax your letter to the FAA.



Anybody need Flight reviews? We can do that at the same time. Bring your pilot log books.

Let me know.

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:13 pm Post subject: formation

Just 2 tanks of fuel for a full formation training regime to get wing

qualified???? Thats ambitious.



Ernie



On 3/2/06, Bill <czech6(at)kellin.net> wrote:

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 How about Friday evening ground school at the hanger. Pizza delivery in Mojave?



 I'll bring all the paper work we need. It sounds like we'll have plenty of back seat support. How many people are actually in for formation training. Really. At least 2 tanks of fuel required.



 You boys that are serious about this need to fax your letter to the FAA.



 Anybody need Flight reviews? We can do that at the same time. Bring your pilot log books.

 Let me know.

czech6(at)kellin.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: formation

They have already been flying formation. "At least 2 tanks" is what I said. 

We'll see.

Hows the horse business?

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: formation

Same ole!! They eat, they shit, I pay 



Ernie



On 3/2/06, Bill <czech6(at)kellin.net> wrote:

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 They have already been flying formation. "At least 2 tanks" is what I said.

 We'll see.

 Hows the horse business?

SD737(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: formation

I like ambitious!

Colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: formation

what letter do we need to fax to my employer? (FAA that is)

Colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: formation

Bill- Pizza Friday night at hanger sounds great!  I have been, and I  think 

Scott and Pete have been reading the manual.  We have also been  flying 

formation together for a few hours in the jets.

czech6(at)kellin.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: formation

If this flyin is not on your program letter, you need to send an update to 

your FSDO.



If you don't have a program letter in, you need to do that as well. It needs 

to be carried in your airplane, along with your Ops limitations, and the 

update that you send for this deal plus all the normal paper work.



If you haven't done one it is nothing more than:



Name

address



FAA FSDO

city,State

On Friday, March 24, 2006, I will be flying my L-29, N129BS from KENV to 

L71, for a flying event, with stops as required for fuel & weather. 

Returning on Sunday, March 26, 2006.



Sign and date it.



Must be in 48 hours before the flight. You're not asking permission, you are 

informing them that you are going.

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From: <Colyergreg(at)aol.com>

To: <l29-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:02 PM

Subject: Re: formation

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 what letter do we need to fax to my employer?  (FAA that is)

Colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: formation

Bill,

  It's in my program letter already.  I thought I was missing  something.....

Colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: formation

it's already been done

SD737(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: formation

Well, I don't know if I'd call it formation flying... LOL

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: formation

You're also going to need your TSA waiver.



Ernie



On 3/3/06, SD737(at)aol.com <SD737(at)aol.com> wrote:

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 Well, I don't know if I'd call it formation flying...  LOL

czech6(at)kellin.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:05 am Post subject: formation

True enough. Did you all apply for the TSA waiver??

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Colyergreg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: formation

TSA waiver????? please explain

Ernie

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 513

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: formation

After 9/11 a NOTAM was issued stating that Proficiency flying and

flight training in aircraft over 12,500 lbs or turbo jet powered

aircfraft is prohibited. Since the only kind of flying we can do in

experimental/exhibition aircraft is either training or proficiency

flying we are grounded. This NOTAM was never lifted.



So the only way to fly is to get a waiver. We had to apply for it only

once when the FAA was run by the Dept of Transportation. But when the

FAA was transfered to the TSA they decided that we have to apply for

the damn thing each year.



Goto the CJAA website, they have the document there.



Ernie



On 3/3/06, Colyergreg(at)aol.com <Colyergreg(at)aol.com> wrote:

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 TSA waiver????? please explain

czech6(at)kellin.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: formation

Ya, what he said. EAA Warbirds has it as well. 

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