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AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06

 
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Lee Logan



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06 Reply with quote

I carry my cell phone with me (Blackberry) on all flights. Assuming you're
not incapacitated, seems to me that is a pretty good backup given it has
voice, text, email, and internet capability all in one. Do you suppose my
US coverage would be typically sufficient for this to be a reasonable
addition to the rescue arsenal or is national coverage inadequate? I have a
fair number of "blank spots" around here, but I live in rural SC. My
Blackberry works fine on overseas trips but not everywhere in the US. Go
figure. Are others relying on their cell phones? If 12% effectiveness is
an accurate figure for ELT's, I think my Blackberry beats that hands down,
warts and all.

ELT's were mandated before the widespread availability of cell phones,
right? Why don't we petition the FAA (through the EAA?) for relief from the
ELT requirement as long as you carry an operative cell phone on your person?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06 Reply with quote

"Assuming you're not incapacitated..."

That's an awfully broad assumption, but it doesn't apply to an ELT.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06 Reply with quote

We just had a recent incident where carrying a cell phone saved the day.
A pilot just got an Arrow out of maintenance and was flying back to our
field.
On calling in he noted that he had no comm's and little or no battery or
charge.

He also could not get 3 lights on his gear down. He flew over the field
several times and used his cell phone to call the FBO phone to explain his
problem. The FBO had a guy standing next to the strip to monitor his gear
extension. It looked like the main gear was down but, the nose was not.
Between the two and making multiple slow passes over the field he was able
to shake the nose gear down and via the cell phone figures he had the best
info that he was going to get. Luckily, the Piper gear is a gravity down
gear.

He probably made the most perfect greased landing and held the nose gear off
as long as possible. Then, did something that I thought was pretty smart.
He coasted to a full stop and made the most gently of taxi turns just in
case one of the mains was not really over center and locked. It would be
pretty bad to make a perfect landing and then, taxi turn too abrupt and
collapse a main gear from sideloads.
All done with the help of a cell phone.
D
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06 Reply with quote

Lee -

You make this implicit assumption on which to base an argument to change
the FAA's mind: "I am conscious and able to turn on my blackberry or cell
phone, and to connect and to describe my location ... ". If you are not
capable of the above and need rescue to stay alive, or your family needs
your body for closure, the whole process needs to be automatic and more
accurate. That's the answer the FAA will send back. Now, how to do what
they want in a way that will be far more reliable than the method mandated
now, and will not break our banks, is the problem at hand. There is a much
better solution, but it costs a lot more and so far, a lot of folks have
rejected it because of cost.

John Schroeder
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:05:05 -0500, Lee Logan <leeloganster(at)gmail.com>
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Quote:
ELT's were mandated before the widespread availability of cell phones,
right? Why don't we petition the FAA (through the EAA?) for relief from
the ELT requirement as long as you carry an operative cell phone on your
person?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06 Reply with quote

As macabre as it may sound, they need to be able to find the bodies.

Bruce
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: AeroElectric-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 02/10/06 Reply with quote

Lee Logan wrote:
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I carry my cell phone with me (Blackberry) on all flights. Assuming you're
not incapacitated, seems to me that is a pretty good backup given it has
voice, text, email, and internet capability all in one. Do you suppose my
US coverage would be typically sufficient for this to be a reasonable
addition to the rescue arsenal or is national coverage inadequate?

All of our cellular telephone technology (and in this I include PCS, 3G,
and EvDO) is based on relatively short-range radio technology. There has
to be a "cell tower" within about three miles to ensure service. If you
land where there is a cell tower within three miles you are already
where people are. If you land somewhere where you really need service
because there is no one around, you won't have cellular service.

No, you can't count on cellular service as a back-up. A hand-held
satellite phone is another story.

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