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jim-bean(at)att.net
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 Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: RV-8 wheel landings |
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Listers,
A friend advised me not to full stall land an RV-8. He says that the
elevator gets blanked when full flaps are used so he only wheel lands
his plane. What say ye.
Jim Bean
First flight soon.
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tomscherder(at)hotmail.co
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject: RV-8 wheel landings |
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Jim,
A full stall landing in a RV 8 will work just fine if your not 3 feet over
the runway. Don't get too concerned if you find that the rear wheel lands
first and forces the mains on. Thats just what it does.The good news is that
all the energy is gone and you will come to a stop pretty fast.
Wheel landings on the other hand require you to stick the landing by using
forward pressure just as your mains touch. Not easy since we've all been
taught to never give up the nose. There is also a dead zone when the tail
begins to settle and the plane tends to get a little squirrelly. remember
you still have some energy so a ground loop is more of a possibility. Wheel
landings, though a lot more smooth also tend to porpoise if you get out of
sink with the sticking of the mains. After trying to make real soft 3
pointers we finnally gave up and just land the damn thing. I know one guy
who just apologises for the landing when you get in.
Tom Scherder RV 8 38NE 80 hrs
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willfly(at)carolina.rr.co
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: RV-8 wheel landings |
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Hog Wash!
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
N123SG RV-8
Cappy's Toy
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BERFlyer(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:39 am Post subject: RV-8 wheel landings |
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If you are going with a constant speed prop like a Hartzel, then I recommend
you put about 50lbs of weight in the rear baggage compartment until you get
comfortable with the stick forces and flare etc. I would do both 3 point and
wheel landings in this configuration (solo). Once I removed the 50lbs of weight
from the back, I would only do wheel landings if solo. The stick forces
increased quite a bit during landing flare once the weight was removed. I believe
it would be difficult to do a 3 point landing with a heavy prop in solo mode.
You may actually run out of up elevator. With a rear passenger, you could
land either way, but I normally do wheel landings all of the time now. I also
believe that wheel landings in the -8 are better for cross-wind situations.
Danny King did an excellent audio discussion on a very tough cross-wind landing
he did out west a while back. I believe you can access it on the
VansAirForce web site.
Hope this helps,
Bruce Raymond
N488RV
96 hours
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RCROSLEY(at)HRTEXTRON.TEX
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:08 am Post subject: RV-8 wheel landings |
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I have 125 hours in my RV-8 and my experience is that it is somewhat
difficult to make consistently good landings. Now, to avoid, all the name
calling this is only my experience and I may not be the best pilot on the
net and I'm an old guy (60). I have about 500 hours in Cessna 120,140 and
170's and 300 in a Christen Eagle and before that I was a Navy jet guy. I
make full stall landings all the time because I want to be slower, rather
than faster and avoid the transition to tail down. Again just my opinion.
The RV-8 may have a little bit of blocking the tail at slow speeds and full
flaps, don't know. Try, watching RV's land and it seems that the "8"
doesn't make as smooth a landing as the other tail dragging RV's. Could be
the gear design or CG or what ever, but if you watch a 100 RV landings that
seems to be the case. They are not unsafe landing, just not as smooth. I
have tried less flaps, more power, no power it is just a little harder to
make grease them-on-landings all the time. I think that in the Christen
Eagle it was easier to make consistent good landings and you couldn't see
the runway in it. It frustrates the heck out of me not to be able to make
good landings all the time. Maybe more time or someone else will have the
magic cure. But, if I were you, I'd do what ever kind of landing you are
the most comfortable with......they all work.
Rich Crosley
RV-8 N948RC
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